Blood of My Blood: Bran’s Vision Broken Down 

was jam-packed with imagery,  with the history of the world flowing through the boy’s mind thanks to a quick upload from the late Three-Eyed Raven. A lot of the images are of things we’ve seen on the show, but there are new gems buried in the mad crush of info and we’re going to take a look at the more intriguing bits today, and the significance of the staggering vision.

YouTube user Mayes T has helpfully uploaded a slowed-down version of Bran’s visions if you’d like to rewatch at a less frenetic pace.

We’ve screencapped key moments from Bran’s visions to take a deeper look. It was an overwhelming amount of information unloaded onto viewers, as well as Bran. Now that we’ve had a little time to mull it over, what do we have here? To sum it up: the war between ice and fire, the weapons of mass destruction on both sides and the major players Bran needs to keep his eyes on.

The vision shows us the containers of wildfire that we know are kept beneath King’s Landing. Wildfire was used to devastating effect in “Blackwater”:

The visions are heavy on the dragon imagery, showing us the dragon and a shadow over King’s Landing, something we saw in a previous vision:

Woven throughout the visions is the fall of the Mad King Aerys, obsessed with wildfire and slain by Jaime Lannister during Robert’s Rebellion. First we see a shot of David Rintoul as the Mad King, who also happens to be Daenerys’ father. (Worth mentioning since she and her dragon were the big finale last night.)

Since the role of the Mad King was played by Liam Burke in a cut season 1 scene, we can assume this is newly shot and not the show hauling the old cut scene from their trunks:

We get a glimpse of the cold moving over the North, seen in another vision:

-Bran falling all over again from the tower at Winterfell

-the White Walker collecting Craster’s baby, and the baby being changed by the Night’s King

The story of Bran’s own family seems to be tied into the vision’s tale of ice and fire, perhaps due to Bran’s role, or perhaps due to someone else’s, like say Jon Snow.

We see the pyromancers’ jars of wildfire once again, and there will be more of this. The emphasis on wildfire is almost threatening.

The second flood of images for Bran uses a lot of the same imagery of the dragons and the White Walkers- the focus here is clearly the true war. We see the ravens that Sam and Gilly saw when they encountered the White Walker, and catch another glimpse of the dangerous cache of wildfire being handled by pyromancers.

Aerys is now shouting “Burn them all!” from the Iron Throne.

Next we see the wildfire ignited in the storage where we saw them being kept- however I don’t recall this happening before. If it had, the Red Keep and all of King’s Landing would be a smoking ruin, with that much wildfire. Is this the future?

Then more of the same recurring glimpse of the pyromancers at work, handling the substance:

Young Jaime arrives to stop the Mad King from destroying the city:

While we see young Ned Stark back at the Tower of Joy wanting to see his sister…

With an immediate cut to this bloody hand, hovering over a blood-soaked shape. We can see another hand lying alongside the body, if that’s what it is.

young Ned’s gloves and armwear to what we saw in “Oathbreaker” and it certainly seem very possible that this hand and wrist belongs to Ned, and the blood may be his sister’s. My best guess is that we’re getting a glimpse of the resolution of the Tower of Joy here, with Lyanna in her bed of blood. Book readers understand the enormity of that sequence, what it implies and at this rate, a lot of the show-only fans have worked it out. We know that Robert Aramayo is set to be in the season finale, so hopefully we’ll finally get this resolved in episode 10.

After that intriguing bit, we see a mix of familiar sights- Robb at the Red Wedding, the Children creating the first White Walker, Jon’s White Walker duel at Hardhome, the key recurring images of Dany and the dragons and the White Walkers- while also getting a look at Jaime’s murder of the Mad King, how he earned his nickname Kingslayer.

The ignited wildfire we saw before expands- this is like a bomb going off. It’s what the Mad King was threatening to do, it’s why Jaime killed him- so this never happened. Only it may still.

Essentially, the images of the vision convey a condensed version of the war between ice and fire throughout history, the Three-Eyed Raven’s last attempt to help Bran understand what he was up against and what he needed to do.

My predictions, based on the vision: the mystery of Jon Snow’s parentage will be revealed in the season finale, and there is going to be a wildfire explosion in King’s Landing. The dragons will be, as people have long guessed, a major part in bringing down the White Walkers someday, the main weapon. The reminder of Dany’s father’s madness in an episode finishing with a declaration of her ambitions makes me think that we will see Daenerys take a similar turn in the end, with a wish to “Burn them all.” She’ll probably save Westeros first, though! And Bran will be there to see it all.

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Get hype! Any chance we see some more ToJ before the finale?

KL will burn…..This isn’t the past, we now Aerys didn’t burn the city so it’s from the future.

Thanks for doing this Sue and Mayes T -will be studying all day!

Still can´t believe we´ve got a vision of the Mad King and his death!

omg.. I didn’t even think the wildfire images were from the future. I assumed they were from the past.

Cersei will burn KL to the ground, not Dany, and with that wildfire. Dany will find KL in ashes when she finally arrives.

Perhaps instead of snow falling on the Iron Throne in Dany’s own vision, it’s really ash.

I think she should be cersei. this is be a great challenge for Jaime. While he murdered the mad king before burning the city, now what he will do it it happened by the hands of his beloved sister.

Cersei has said so many times that she will burn cities to the ground for her children. And that is precisely what she will do. Unfortunately, it would be too late for her children.

She becomes queen when Tommen dies right? Right.

And there is your mad queen people. How many mad queens are we going get?

I think the visions were to show Bran what is needed to defeat the WW. Since Jamie doesn’t hate Cersei yet, it may be up to him to save KL from wildfire again, but this time to save all of humanity, not just KL. I’d hate to see all that wildfire go to waste over Cersei’s stupidity. Mereen has already shown us dragons can be hurt. The amount of WWs by now has to be close to innumerable. It will take more than three dragons to kill them.

Remember Dani’s vision in the House of the Undying of the burned out throne room and snow falling?? Hmm…

Thanks for putting this together Sue! I definitely missed a chunk of this even upon a second viewing. Thanks to Mayes T for the video!

I definitely see Tommen dying in the finale and then Cersei unleashing the wildfire on the city.

I don’t even think the dragons can kill the whitewalkers…. fire doesn’t phase them. The dragons can burn their entire army though.

Dragonglass is made from dragon fire, as far as we know.

After watching last nights episode for the first time (i watched it three times lol) I immediately said to myself “those visions mean something very big” So glad for the slowed down and scene by scene take on them. I agree I feel the wildfire explosions were a future vision. Now all I can think is, is it Sunday yet?

IMO, Cersei will burn KL. She knows about the containers of wildfire. Not sure if that will directly cause Tommen’s death but she will ultimately be responsible for it.

And many thanks to Sue and Mayes T for isolating these images.

I think the bloody hand is from the RW. Robb and Talisa.

I think Tommen will die, THEN she will burn down KL

Keeping in mind the vision from season 2. Winter pushes down into Kings Landing. Last ditch effort is made by using Wildfire, it destroys the Night King’s army but not before most of the continent is destroyed. By the time Dany makes it to Kings Landing, the whole region is a winter ruin given Westeros inability to get its act together. Remeber GRRM said it would be a bitter sweet ending. Why not Dany makes it all the way there but her army finds a land of nothing but snow and ice

Remember Dani’s vision in the House of the Undying of the burned out throne room and snow falling?? Hmm…

Yes! I mentioned the same thing in another thread.

All of these visions about the wildfire pretty much confirmed for me that KL will be burnt by wildfire and Dany will have no throne to conquer.

I wonder if Bran will realize the importance of Jaime killing Aerys, or if the two of them will ever meet. I hope so. Defenestration needs some closure! Not that Bran should forgive Jaime for almost killing him of course, but now Bran is one of only two people with direct knowledge that what Jaime did in that throne room is fully justified.

Exactly. His death should push her over the edge.

Does anyone think that the wildfire explosions have anything to do with the The Faith? Either they’ve started it or Cersei finally goes crazy after losing her son to them.?.

The reminder of Dany’s father’s madness in an episode finishing with a declaration of her ambitions makes me think that we will see Daenerys take a similar turn in the end, with a wish to “Burn them all.” She’ll probably save Westeros first, though! And Bran will be there to see it all.

I am very confused by this entire paragraph. Dany wants to “burn them all” (all the people of Westeros) but also wants to save them all? What?

What exactly would be left to “burn all of” if she has just saved everyone in the entire continent from the WW? Like “MWAHAHA THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME KILL THE WHITE WALKERS NOW DIIIEE USURPERS MWAHWHAHAHAHA!!! Like… what?

I found the cuts back and forth between “Burn them all!” and the wight army interesting. They repeated that bit of juxtaposition too many times for it not to be some kind of foreshadowing.

My guess is she goes mad after Tommen dies. But I think the Faith will also be involved..

I am convinced Cersei will be involved with the wildfire. That would be a glorious end to the mad queen.

I highly doubt it. I watched last night with an unsullied friend and he said the same thing, so we rewatched the RW scene. The lighting is all wrong, we never saw that shot on the show during Reins of Castamere. Talisa’s dress was a blue green color, I could go on and on and on. I think that was young Eddard’s leather clad arm and bloody hand, and you can see another hand (Lyanna’s) laying limply parallel to blood soaked fabric, which I believe to be the side of a mattress. The flashes that the audience has witnessed are shot for shot from the series, and it doesn’t seem to match up

I think Dragon fire is different from regular fire.

Thanks for doing this! Even at the slow speed, some of the images are maddeningly fast.

Wildfire could be such an effective weapon against the Walkers! Now I’m even more excited to see Sam’s discoveries in Oldtown. The glass candles have begun to burn again! They could be used as a fuse in a cache of wildfire. If only Cersei can keep her hands off of it!

And the bloody body! Poor Lyanna! Poor Ned! I wish that we could get a little more of the young Ned and Lyanna interacting before we get this denouement to show how close they were and drive home Ned’s real sacrifice in bringing up Jon. Any chance we’ll get another glimpse? Are the very young actors scheduled to appear again?

My Unsullied family thought it was a boring episode, but as a book reader, I thought it was fun. After the Benjen reveal, I can’t wait for the next big reveal of a guy in a monk-type robe! 😉

kind ser ..any guess on what leads to tommens death …..I agree with you that cersei goes mad after tommens death …but what could lead to his death is hard to guess….

– Dany had a vision, that was in the show, of The Iron Throne and castle in ruins and covered in snow.

– Cersei will have her trial by combat and is destined to see all her children dead, all confirmed by the show as important things.

So the future of Kings Landing will probably be thus [Spoiler Warning: because this is a very probable timeline]:

– Cersei will lose her trial by combat against the Faith at the end of episode 9. Looking at the insane pace of the show this season; Brienne will meet Monk Clegane and the priest in episode 8 on their way to the trial in Kings Landing, leading to the oft predicted Clegane bowl the next episode.

– This mean she needs to accept final punishment by the Faith, which is not something Cersei will take lying down in episode 10. Problem is she’s lost Jaime and a large part of the Lannister army, she’s no longer protected by Strong Clegane, The Faith have Tommen, her uncle is siding with the Tyrells. So position of the Tyrells is going to be interesting and the least predictable.

– This lead to the most difficult bit: We know there is going to be war with The Faith because of the trailer. The most likely scenario for episode 10 is a completely pissed off Cersei declaring war on the Faith, possibly with the Tyrell army and City Watch. This will lead to the death of poor Tommen at the Sept, most likely uncle Kevan before (I think Cersei might kill him because he tries to stop her), but it’s possible they will lose because the people of Kings Landing rise up against the armies. This the most likely scenario for Cersei to decide to burn everything to hell with the wildfire reserves underneath Kings Landing, as the totally bonkers season finale.

– When Dany finally arrives in Kings Landing next season, everything will lie in ash and snow. Which is a brilliant bit of irony only George RR Martin could come up with.

Do we know this? I can’t actually recall reading how dragon glass is made, even though the simarity in the name makes this likely.

Sandsnakes. They still want to take down the Lannisters for “vengeance”, etc.

Jamie will come back to KL to comfort Cersei after Tommen’s death. He may have to kill Cersei to stop her from using the wildfire, too. I don’t think they showed Jamie on the throne for nothing. Remember, Jamie considered staying on the throne when he last sat in it. Perhaps he will conquer KL again, but over his sister, and he and the Lannisters will be the ones the Starks and Targaryans have to battle before they can deal with the WW? Full circle realized.

Mihnea: Dragonglass is made from dragon fire, as far as we know.

Well, it’s obsidian, which forms naturally. Dragonfire itself might be able to make it, too: but I think that I’ve read that the heat from Saturn rockets could create obsidian.

Ashara D: Now I’m even more excited to see Sam’s discoveries in Oldtown.

Is Sam going to Oldtown anymore? Somehow, I don’t think that the Citadel is the wisest destination for him at this point with a stolen sword, his girlfriend (sorry, “whore”: and what a great society in which these concepts are synonymous) and a baby.

Dee: I don’t even think the dragons can kill the whitewalkers…. fire doesn’t phase them. The dragons can burn their entire army though.

Huh, do you know: that is a really good point! Yeah, they do seem to have an uncanny ability to make fire die in their presence.

As for torching the wights, it is quite possible that the WW will force their way south: and by that time, their wight army will be huge. Mao supposedly said something to the effect of “Drop all the bombs you want, there will always be more Chinese.” This might be a similar tactical problem.

I’m not big on the theory that Bran drives Aerys mad because the Mad King’s descent is so nicely established as background. Similarly I’m just not a fan of the Tyrion Targaryen theory because it trades a lifetime of character development for a narrative conceit that’s already been put to better use.

But after Bran’s flashes I’m wondering if Aerys happened to get some prophetic abilities that appeared with (or subtly caused) his madness. In his last moments, was he just sort of naturally unmoored from time? Thinking the sack of King’s Landing was the white walker invasion? Channeling his daughter?

Cersei losing it and burning the city would make a lot of sense, but I wonder if Bran seeing that would be particularly necessary. Showing him where the wildfire is and the potential danger could be useful (especially if Bran gains the ability to change the future, or “rewrite the script”); giving him the details of something that’s going to happen and be thousands of miles away from the real fight…less so.

Do folks think we’ll see more Mad King flashbacks? I hope not, just because that looked like a shadowy NCW playing young Jaime. That’s fine for what we saw, but it’d be a bit jarring in a full scene (especially in a season where Robert Aramayo and Sam Coleman are doing so great).

There sure is a lot of emphasis on the White Walker baby. What’s up with that?

Nah. I have other theories as to who they will kill.

omg.. I didn’t even think the wildfire images were from the future. I assumed they were from the past.

If you remember Dany’s visions when she was in the House of The Undead..she was walking through the Red Keep and it’s ceilings were gone.. I always knew KL was going to get toasted.. this just confirms it.

Thanks for replying. Glad to know I’m not too far off base.

I was wondering if he’d die and then she’d set the wildfire or that she kills her own son and then burns the place down.

I was really intrigued by the visions when I watched the epsode but I don’t know what to make of them. The only thing I could think is that Wildfire could be actually used against the WW. Yeah many people probably thought about it ages ago, but it occurred to me just when I watched Bran’s visions.

not sure about that ……I think it has something to do with Tyrells cersei and sparrows. …but what and how I can’t guess….

Ah, good point. So, Daeny might get there after Cersei has torched the place and with winter having come. That would make sense.

ghost of winterfell: I can’t actually recall reading how dragon glass is made, even though the simarity in the name makes this likely.

The books describe rock formations with obsidian in them. It’s bee a couple of decades since I did petrology, but you get obsidian from lava flows from very silica rich melts. Often it comes from melting sandstone or quartzites from surrounding rocks. Basically, obsidian is glass and therefore it has to cool very quickly: otherwise, it mineralizes into quartz. (The difference between quartz and glass is that quartz is a mineral and glass is technically a really, really viscous liquid: but very old glass windows will actually be thicker at the bottom than the top because the glass very slowly “flows” down.) That is why “dragonglass” would be an appropriate name: you would get it from volcanic flows.

Book!Stannis mentions that they rocks in Dragonstone have many veins of obsidian. Presumably that must have be a volcanic island. Well, it would if we could assume that GRRM knows low-level geology! However, it obviously occurs naturally, which is all that is really important.

A lot of people speak about dany’s first vision in HOTU ..

I will mention her second vision she has in HOTU…where she goes beyond the WALL ..

which shows that she will be fighting WW …just remember this vision before start going his she will become mad viallin and all other things ..

Even though iam strong believer in RLJ and believe he will be king in the end

I have to ask one question what do people expect to fall on throne room other than snow and ashes in the burned down place amidst a heavy winter season .

Arrggghhh.. tried to edit post and it wouldn’t let me.. seems that I keep forgetting to read the entire thread first before responding.. sorry.

If the dragons burn the army and only the NK and his four horsemen are left that makes them ripe for swordplay with Jon or Brienne or other Valyrian steel carriers (Sam???)…

QueenofThrones: I am very confused by this entire paragraph. Dany wants to “burn them all” (all the people of Westeros) but also wants to save them all? What?

Some people seem determined to see Daeny as a future villain, or see her as someone destined to go insane. I never have bought this at all: she’s one of the two most primary protagonists, and her storyline parallels Jon’s so intensely that it’s basically like they are figurative twins separated at birth. (No: Daeny will not be at ToJ! However, I think that they are being setup to be part of a duality or even a trinity.)

I think they cut back and forth to show as some people believe that the original 3 eyed Raven tried to warn Aerys of the WW and it led to him hearing voices and going mad.

I once read a theory that she will fight with Jon against WW ..

But once the war is ended she will just not let north to be free ..so Jon will end killing her .

dragonbringer: Even though iam strong believer in RLJ and believe he will be king in the end

I, too, have long held R+L=J. However, in no way does King Jon follow from that. Jon could very well still be a bastard: and even if he technically is not, then getting the rest of the world to acknowledge it will be difficult at best.

But I also think that people are looking at this a little bit too much as if it is a standard fantasy, where getting the Throne is a big treat for the best “good” person. I would not be surprised if what we get is Jon and Daeny as consorts, living unhappily ever after wondering if there could not have been some less dishonorable final solution (a la Ned Stark).

Mihnea: Now that you mention it…. I might be wrong.

Well, I suspect that dragons might be able to make obsidian. However, tectonics would be able to make a lot more! A planet with tectonics >>>> lots of dragons, after all! (I think that Valyria found that out….) 😀

IKR? “completely embody a character in 15 seconds or less” challenge accepted.

The standing person would be on the wrong side of the prone person, Robb was on Talisa’s left, not her right side.

dragonbringer: But once the war is ended she will just not let north to be free ..so Jon will end killing her .

At any rate, my bet is that the war against the Walkers will leave the North in ruins before Jon and Daeny figure out what it is the Walkers want and why they are back. We got a huge reminder of why this episode: “There’s no such thing!”

Kilgore Tully: I’m not big on the theory that Bran drives Aerys mad because the Mad King’s descent is so nicely established as background.

One could make just a good of a case that Bran influenced Jaime to murder/assassinate/execute/euthanize Aerys.* Bran seemed to be getting a massive download of past events and future possibilities. Bran might be able to influence the future events: but I doubt that he was influencing the past ones.

I agree with you …about dany .,I think she is the main protagonist. ..The person who would eventually end up on the iron throne..and if Jon survives I don’t think he would be interested in sitting on the iron throne ( I could be wrong) …maybe after she saves westeros …people will accept her ..without any terms and condition…

I think it’s worth noting that dragonfire can melt/burn stone. That’s what happened at Harrenhall, causing its ruined state. I’m thinking that dragon breath is at least equal to creating magma temperature wise.. Too bad they don’t have pneumatic press jaws, you could feed one some coal & get your dragon to burp out some diamonds… JK JK

Oh spare me the passive-aggressive language, Wimsey. “Some people” are not determined to see Dany as anything. It’s commonly known that the Targaryens are prone to madness, and Dany’s behavior is frequently over the top. She’s not the only character who behaves that way but she is the only one who possesses three dragons.

There is no conflict in what I said. Characters are gray, not black and white. Labeling anyone as “evil” is boring. Daenerys can save them all with her dragons, slay the White Walkers with her firepower, and still wind up a threat to other people or herself with the instability the books and show have teased before. Dany is a conqueror, and hasn’t proven she knows how to rule wisely. Her future is not a foregone conclusion by any means- hence it being speculation, not a spoiler.

pras: maybe after she saves westeros …people will accept her ..without any terms and condition…

Well, Daeny almost certainly will be stepping into a void. The last of Robert’s children will be dead. Cersei might be trying to cling to power, but she would have zero claim to the throne under the rules of primogeniture. Moreover, the Baratheon/Lannister regime would

be popular – it already is unpopular and things are getting worse and going to get worse – and nothing gets people longing for “the good old days” quite like that.

Given that there is no real “republican” movement in Westeros, and given the force that Daeny is bringing with her, the Targaryen restoration should meet with relatively little resistance. (I would not be surprised if she brings Dorne and the Iron Islands with her, too.)

Jjddss: If the dragons burn the army and only the NK and his four horsemen are left that makes them ripe for swordplay with Jon or Brienne or other Valyrian steel carriers (Sam???)…

Actually we now have four VS swords in the running, which is the exact correct number for dueling White Walkers.

Oathkeeper, Longclaw – they have their owners, both already committed to fighting in the North (though there’s an outside chance Brienne dies and Jaime reclaims Oathkeeper).

Widowmaker – presumably Tommen has it. I hope Arya gets it somehow before heading to The Wall! She could wield it – as I recall it was pretty small.

Heartsbane – ???? Certainly not Sam, but otherwise I don’t know!

Mad King on throne – “BURN THEM ALL!”

Neds (?) blooded hand on a dress with a woman’s hand (?)

Jaime stabs Mad Kings Body (long shot)

Wildfire explodes up vault – “BURN THEM(?)!”

Shadow on wall of Jaime stabbing the Mad King in the back

Mad King – “BURN THEM / BURN THEM ALL”

So i think Bran’s subconscious, using his new knowledge, is telling him to use wildfire against the Army of The Dead. If it were a normal dream that would be the interpretation.

First we see a shot of David Rintoul as the Mad King, who also happens to be Daenerys’ father.

OMGWTFHORSEYDRAGON??!!!! I’m in love with David Rintoul’s Mr. Darcy. I cannot believe I didn’t know he was appearing in this episode. Is this brand new information, or did we know Rintoul had already been cast?

(BTW, he is way too old for me at exactly my mother’s age and obviously gross as Aerys, but I’m in love with his 1980’s Darcy.)

Do folks think we’ll see more Mad King flashbacks? I hope not, just because that looked like a shadowy NCW playing young Jaime. That’s fine for what we saw, but it’d be a bit jarring in a full scene (especially in a season where Robert Aramayo and Sam Coleman are doing so great).

I see people complain about this. If they wanted another actor they would cast one. They have 1000 extras. This wasn’t a vision of Bran walking in.,..it was a mix of things that happened, will happen, or never happened….like Kings Landing burning. They wanted NCW”s Jaime with short hair to sit on the Throne. They wanted Bran to see this. The reason? I don’t know. Bran also can’t see Jaime’s face on the visions he gets on the books. I am just happy they connected Jaime as individual with the whole story again.

I agree with you …about dany .,I think she is the main protagonist. ..The person who would eventually end up on the iron throne..and if Jon survives I don’t think he would be interested in sitting on the iron throne ( I could be wrong) …maybeafter she saves westeros …people will accept her ..without any terms and condition…

She just called a bunch of savages to invade Westeros, kill them and burn their homes. People will love her.

she is not the main protagonist, more like one of the most boring characters, its always the same: giving speeches and burning things down.

I agree with you …I too believe Jon will be just be snow for sometime now .

And even though I believe that danh may die at the end ..I think it’s possible to have them both survive and rebuild the kingdom .

After all we had gotten dany as mother ( bringer ) and destroyer ( khaleesi) and we should get the preservor or protector bit too ( queen)

Well thats the same thing I asked the one who cAME up with that theory .. It just people just want to have dany bad villain so jon can get to stab her .

I agree with you …….you said it perfectly …

As many have mentioned, I too think Cersei will be the one to burn KL, likely AFTER the death of Tommen brings her to a point of being driven by undying vengeance. I can see this as being a very emotional death scene for Cersei, who I don’t think will long outlive her children. It would also put the city in ruins before Dany’s conquering, leading her attention then to the war in the north.

Regarding Dany’s S2 vision – are we sure that was snow in the throne room? For some reason, I remembering hypothesizing that it was actually just ash from all the burned ruin. I may be misremembering though.

Wimsey: Some people seem determined to see Daeny as a future villain, or see her as someone destined to go insane. I never have bought this at all: she’s one of the two most primary protagonists, and her storyline parallels Jon’s so intensely that it’s basically like they are figurative twins separated at birth. )

It’s true that there is a strong parallel between Dany and Jon throughout the seasons, but we see striking differences between them. Dany thinks Westeros belongs to her, she wants to conquer it with fire and blood. Jon doesn’t want power. He never wanted to become Lord Commander, all he did was for duty. He died trying to save the world. He doesn’t even know he’s a Targ. If he becomes king, it won’t be because he’s a Targ heir or because he wants the throne, it will be because he saved the North from the WW and people respect him and believe he could be a great king.

When Dany kills her opponents, she burns them with a smile on her face. When Jon kills his opponents (the traitors who killed him), he does it with sadness on his face. They are very different.

And now Dany will conquer Westeros with her dragons and her horde of foreign murderers and rapists. That can’t go well. She’s not going to greet her nephew, she’s going to call him another Stark supported usurper and will want him burned.

She’s not a typical villain (because she’s not doing bad things in her mind), but she’s not the good princess who wants her throne back. GRRM will kill this trope before it’s over.

Kargaryen: Cersei will burn KL to the ground, not Dany, and with that wildfire.

Yes, that is increasingly becoming clear, especially after last night’s episode, where Cersei seemed quite confident at the end. She will burn the Sept in order to completely root out the Sparrows, Tommen will not be able to bear it and kill himself, and then she will go mad and burn the Red Keep! 🙂

Hehehe….. I am a bit confused too. 😀 after the last episode, it’s become quite a fervent hope among some that since they showed Aerys wanting to burn down the city, Daenerys burnt some Khals who were pillagers and rapers, and she said she will take what is hers, all equal “SHE MUST BE MAD!!”! IMO, the imagery shows the White Walker threat, and the one thing that can

stop them, dragonfire. Bran now knows the existence of Daenerys and her dragons.

The funny thing is we don’t need the vision anymore. D&D have pulled Benjen the CotF acolyte out of their hat, and he knows the truth about Jon. So it’s my guess that a) Benjen will die for good before they meet up with Jon Snow, and b) the final Tower of Joy vision will happen at Winterfell’s weirwood when Bran grasps a root in Jon’s presence.

One, I don’t think that is passive-aggressive! (I don’t really do “passive,” even in writing.) Two, I certainly was not referring to you! At least, I never have seen you post that you think that Daeny is the the true antagonist-in-waiting, or that she clearly has signs of insanity.

As for Daeny’s ruling skills, no she has not shown that she is a perfect leader yet. But (and as GRRM himself keeps stressing), this is not Lord of the Rings: people are not born with innate wisdom about how to rule. Is Daeny making mistakes? Yes But has she shown an ability/willingness to compromise and shift directions? Yes. If Daeny was showing that she was like, say, Stannis and completely unable to bend in order to accomplish her goals, then I would be very worried about her ultimate ability to be a leader-of-state. This is the difference between talent and skill: Daenerys has the necessary

Sue, I am just not really understanding how that plays out. After the battle against the White Walkers, which presumably is fought alongside awesome people like Jon/Sansa/Brienne/etc, she is then going to turn around and immediately threaten the people she just saved? Why? What’s her motive? I suppose if someone says to her that now she saved everyone, she is not wanted in Westeros and she should go back to Essos. But I fail to see why/how that would occur, unless it was by one of the remaining villains (in which case, good riddance).

I’m betting it’s Bran that drives the Mad King crazy, Hodor-style. Aerys believes that the WW are attacking, and he orders the pyromancers to “burn them all!” After all, they’re emphasizing how much Bran is unable to control his power (he’s not ready), and this would add another rationale for the Hodor moment. Hodor lost his wits and could only say “Hodor,” Aerys lost his wits and could only say “burn them all!”

Who knew jon had even more in common with ceasar lol

The gear/wheel icon in the lower right of a YouTube video can be used to set the speed even slower. I did a quarter speed for the first 20 seconds or so, although even then I had to pause a great deal, and half speed for the remainder of the video.

Kay: Yes, that is increasingly becoming clear, especially after last night’s episode, where Cersei seemed quite confident at the end.

heh, there is a huge irony unfolding, isn’t there! Jaime kills the Mad King Aerys to save his family. Oh, and to stop him from burning Kings Landing to the ground, too.

And that paves the way for Mad Queen Dowager Cersei to completely destroy his family and burn Kings Landing to the ground.

Well, I suppose that postponing it all by 25 years counts for something.

People will already accept her before the battle..as she will be the one who uniting the remaining houses and humanity

But I believe there is more chance that she will eventually die fighting WW and Jon end up as king .. Him being king is foreshadowed too much ..

Ginevra: The gear/wheel icon in the lower right of a YouTube video can be used to set the speed even slower.

*facepalm* All of these years, and I never realized that. You would have thought that I would have learned this by accidentally clicking it.

Well, I learned something new today! I guess that I can go back to bed….. 🙂

pras: not sure about that ……I think it has something to do with Tyrells cersei and sparrows. …but what and how I can’t guess….

Mihnea: Nah. I have other theories as to who they will kill.

I thought it would be Cersei’s fault until this episode (I thought she would pull a wildfire explosion of the Sept of Baelor to try to take out Tyrells and Sparrows in a single go). Now, I think Tommen’s death will just will be something she’s powerless to stop. And then she’ll wildfire all the things.

Also, Sandsnakes are definitely coming back, IMO. Tommen is their last remaining target if they want the Lannisters to suffer. I don’t see what else they really have left to do besides kill him.

guys think about it ….when she lands in westeros ..imagine the situation ….war ..All around no regard for smallfolks life …. winter white walkers threat ….she comes with an army ..With dragons …..ends wars …defeats white walkers …..

also the dothraki will change under her leadership ..when they followed khals …They did such things coz the khals wanted them to do such things …dany won’t allow it …and they wouldn’t wanna mess with dany …After what they have seen …so they won’t do it ….and as per killing goes …I don’t see her killing unless necessary. ….ok in mereen maybe she got a bit carried away but really …she is the person who kills baddies and helps good people …..and don’t forget tyrion is with her …He would know how to handle the nobles ….

I will write my theory, on the sand snakes if you want but it has filming stuff in it….

Didn’t they get their revenge already with Myrcella’s murder?

I would love to see an entire flashback scene of….

My thanks also Sue and to Mayes T. As I mentioned in your ‘Sullied’ review, I missed a lot of that flashback included ALL the Mad King Aerys scenes and Jaime stabbing him in the back. The flashback video slowed down helped a lot as did the ‘stills’ from it.

Must be my age! I just can’t process and take in details that fast these days 😉

In The Lord of the Rings, people are not born with innate wisdom for how to rule either. Aragon spent almost half a century leading the remnants of his people in the Northwest, and then led a party, and finally an army, to enlist the support of the cursed men, win the Pelennor and Minas Tirith, and eventually take on Sauron’s forces to the Morannon.

GRRM’s point was that Tolkien didn’t SHOW what Aragorn’s rule was like. Though as GRRM knows, Tolkien did start writing a Fourth Age story, where most magic had left the world, and it was full of petty evils and mundane politics. He didn’t enjoy it, and so he scrapped it. GRRM picked up where Tolkiem left off.

So many mischaracterizations of Tolkien among GRRM fans, when the truth is that the latter draws significant inspiration from the former.

this shot of Jaime on the Iron Throne, all badass and “I own this place.” I wonder if this is exactly how Ned found him:

I cannot answer for the gods, Your Grace … only for what I found when I rode into the throne room that day. Aerys was dead on the floor, drowned in his own blood. His dragon skulls stared down from the walls. Lannister’s men were everywhere. Jaime wore the white cloak of the Kingsguard over his golden armor. I can see him still. Even his sword was gilded. He was seated on the Iron Throne, high above his knights, wearing a helm fashioned in the shape of a lion’s head. How he glittered!

I stopped in front of the throne, looking up at him. His golden sword was across his legs, its edge red with a king’s blood. My men were filling the room behind me. Lannister’s men drew back. I never said a word. I looked at him seated there on the throne, and I waited. At last Jaime laughed and got up. He took off his helm, and he said to me, ‘Have no fear, Stark. I was only keeping it warm for our friend Robert. It’s not a very comfortable seat, I’m afraid.’ –Ned, AGoT, p. 111.

Thanks for the piece of knowledge for us less techi ppl…. 🙂

Didn’t they get their revenge already with Myrcella’s murder?

I don’t think they will be happy until all Lannisters are dead. Look how many of their ppl were killed. One death will not assuage their blood lust!!!

I really hope this is the case. Having the dragons swoop down and wipe out all the White Walkers just like that would be… boring and too easy. I hope they kill a dragon and reanimate it.

And who do you think would they be? They want revenge on the Lannisters Gregor and the other minion who has already been killed who was responsible for the murders. That leaves Cersei Jamie Kevan Lancel Tyrion

that is a good point you make ..but one thing we do agree is that dany is a good person and she will help humanity and westeros …and dude …I think we have heard many times from her that she wants to go home ,,,and I think she belives westeros is her home and the iron throne is hers …so I think it is the main reason why she is trying to achieve it …not for lust of power …Our little dragon queen just wants to be home …..she is most definitely not a villain ….

Well, sometimes you do have both a King and a Queen! Both characters have shown themselves to be pragmatic and committed to some vision of “greater good.” Jon might be accepted as a Targaryean heir by some, but probably not all: some people would refuse to accept his legitimacy or his parentage (or both).

The counterargument to the idea of Jon and Daeny winding up together often is “It’s not that kind of a story to have such a happy ending.” However: why does it have to be a happy ending? This does not have to be Eliza Bennet and Mr. Darcy (who probably has a first name), riding off to a hard-fought love-ever-after. It could be an arrangement of pure pragmatism: if both have supporters, then a J+D “monarchy ticket” would be politically savvy, and certainly within the range of what we would expect the characters to do.

There are other possibilities, too. One idea that I like is that the Wildlings will declare Jon to be their “King Beyond the Wall (Currently on the Other Side)” or something like that. That way, Mel gets the King she saw in the flames: but just not in the way she thought it would happen!

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