In a matter of speaking

No Zelena hate intended; she's still in my top 5.

But really...how many people here think he would have agreed to get in bed with her if he knew who she was?

Things like that stop being so black and white when magic is involved... I think in this particular circumstance, though, it doesn't qualify as rape. What Zelena did was wrong, of course, but not being who she says she is and not having his consent are two separate things entirely. Even if he thought she was Marian, nobody forced him into bed with her.

^ That's a good point. But the lines get blurred because of the use of magic. Odds are if he knew who she really was he would have never given her the consent. But as you said she didn't force him in bed with her. However it's such a grey area. And due to that I have to pick yes.

No.

I am a Special Victims prosecutor. I deal with basically two things on a day-to-day basis: rape and child molestation. I have tried six cases in the last 8 months alone, including two rape cases. Do not try to “educate” me on how rape law works. Especially since you’re getting it wrong.

What happened to Robin Hood is rape because he did not give consent to have sex with Zelena. He gave consent to have sex with his wife. No, he did not have to have sex with Marian. He chose to. WHICH IS 100% OKAY. What is not okay is that he wasn’t actually having sex with Marian, he was having sex with Zelena. And I’m pretty sure he didn’t say “Hey Marian, let’s bang. Oh, and if you also happen to be Zelena, that’s cool too.”

Let’s have a look at California’s rape law, since that’s where Hollywood is, and where most of the show’s creative stuff takes place (at least, state-side). I will provide you this handy dandy link: [click on tumblr link below if you wish to view this link]

If you don’t want to go to that link, let me spell it out for you.

In California, a person commits rape when he or she has sex with a person who gives consent: “under the belief that the person committing the act is the victim’s spouse, and this belief is induced by any artifice, pretense, or concealment practiced by the accused, with intent to induce the belief.”

IT’S SPELLED OUT RIGHT THERE.

(Granted, rape laws vary state-to-state, and some states still have an element of force required – and even with that, most places will allow the jury to consider the entire circumstances of the act in determining force – but at the very least, this conduct would satisfy elements of sexual assault or various other sexual offenses.)

Zelena raped/sexually assaulted Robin Hood. End of story.


-Not mine- This is just coppied and pasted from good old Tumblr link

What happened to Robin Hood is rape because he did not give consent to have sex with Zelena. He gave consent to have sex with his wife. No, he did not have to have sex with Marian. He chose to. WHICH IS 100% OKAY. What is not okay is that he wasn’t actually having sex with Marian, he was having sex with Zelena. And I’m pretty sure he didn’t say “Hey Marian, let’s bang. Oh, and if you also happen to be Zelena, that’s cool too.”

This whole paragraph right here is exactly what I was trying to say; I think you explained it better than I. He consented to have sex with his wife not Zelena. I feel like this scenario is like having sex with someone who is intoxicated. A person can't give consent when under the influence because judgement is impaired...they don't know--clearly--what they're getting into. Robin (while in a sound state of mind) still didn't know what was really going down.

I'm not one to claim a character raped another character. I mean I still don't really think Gina raped Graham. But this one was just so clear cut.

First it was if Regina raped Graham. Now it's if Zelena raped Robin. It goes with the family? Just kidding. I don't think it's rape. Neither of them.

It doesn't qualify in my opinion.

RAPE??! Like srsly? Are you kidding me right now? Is this a joke?

Absolutely NOT! As if poor baby Robin was taken advantage of! Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee give me a break!
Robin is a full grown man with apparently great NEEDS 'cause the sex between these two was in no way a one time thing! It happened in a regular basis & that's a fact!
Whether or not this pregnancy is true the fact that Robin didn't refuse the possibility just confirms their active sex life all these months in NYC.

What's my problem here is how on earth didn't Robin notice that there was something off with his wife!
Yes! She looked like Marian,smelled like Marian even tasted like Marian but there is no way for Zelena to know how to kiss Robin,touch Robin even have sex with Robin in the same way as Marian did! It wouldn't surprise me if all these times he was having sex with Marian/Zelena he was fantasizing about Regina!

To sum up, like it or not as far as Robin concerns these rape allegations don't stand a chance in my court!

P.S. I can't believe that we are still talking about whether or not Regina raped Graham! I thought that we were over this!

No I'm actually not kidding. With Gina and Graham I don't think for a minute that rape was the case. However with Zelena and Robin (as Wolfdreamer--someone who works as a special victims prosecutor--stated) ,Robin consented to have sex with Marian not Zelena). As I said no hate intended towards Zelena, I love her character, I really do, but this is just a scene that I question.

But was he not taken advantage of? She took advantage of the fact that he didn't know who she really was to get him in bed with her. Where she used him to get revenge on her sister. It wasn't a one way thing because he thought he was having sex with his wife. I pose the question again; do you really think he'd consent to have sex with Zelena (if he knew it was her)...a woman he didn't really know a part from the fact Gold hired him to rob her? I really doubt he would.
Pregnacy or no pregnacy; I do agree that he made the mistake of having sex with her. I myself said that in order for him to believe a lie (if it is one) like that he would have had to have got down and dirty with her. But, again, I highly doubt they would have been active if he knew she was Zelena. If he knew that she murdered his real wife...the one he thought he was screwing.

Now this I can completely agree with you on. I don't know how he didn't notice his wife wasn't really his wife. Has it really been that long??? I mean come on. Zelena must be a pretty good actress. Or he must have really wanted to believe that Marian was truly back. I also kind of wouldn't be surprised if he was fantasizing about Regina. But the evidence still stands.

Whilst you don't believe so, I, and others do. I respect your opinion on the matter so long as you respect mine. Though I may disagree.

We aren't talking about Gina vs Graham here? I simply bought it up to say I didn't think she raped him so it doesn't look like I'm one to pull this card every time. When Adam (or was it Eddy) confirmed that Gina didn't rape Graham that was it for me...case closed.

^Just to be clear I 101% RESPECT your opinions! Sorry if my comment came off as rude or even disrespectful! Believe me when I say that this was not my intention!

The thing is that like the Graham/Regina situation it felt like a deja vu all over again & maybe I was just carried a bit away!

All I wanted to say when I wrote that ROBIN wasn't taken advantage of was that he wasn't forced to do something he didn't want to (like I said Robin isn't a boy.He is a full grown man who clearly knows where to put it)
The fact that if he knew that his wife was actually Zelena he wouldn't have sex with her doesn't make a valid point for me for the simple fact that he still didn't have to have sex with his "wife" in the first place.Yes he took the decision to leave Regina for his wife & son but he didn't need to have sex with her especially when he is in love with another woman! There are many married couples that situations force them to stay under the same roof but who don't have to be necessarily active as well.

P.S. For me neither of the sisters committed rape!End of story!

It's alright. I'm gonna be honest it did just a little bit, but I've talked to you enough to figure that you didn't mean any offense. :P

Yeah I totally understand what you mean. I actually was kind of weary of posting this question because I wasn't sure if it'd stir up anything. But I decided to assume people here were mature enough to handle it lol. But yeah I get it, I'm still kind of railed up about how many people still think Gina raped Graham despite confirmation that it isn't true!

I can agree to that. No one was telling him he had to have sex with her. He is a grown man that can make his own decisions. But he was deceived. I can sort of see where you're coming from. But I really don't see any reason why he shouldn't have sex with Marian (given she was actually Marian). I mean they were married and he really didn't think he was going to see Regina again. It isn't exactly fair to Marian to not have her husband to the fullest. But then again it's also not fair (for both women) that his heart is in two places.

I guess this is an agree to disagree thing lol. Not going to force you or anyone else to debate with me. xP

I mean maybe Adam or Eddy confirmed that Regina didn't rape Graham... But it's not because they created the characters that they know better.

Let me explain : in 1x07, in the flashbacks, Regina takes Graham heart, which means she commands him. To sleep with her, in this case, as she said herself. And you could see when she kissed him that he wasn't too happy about it. And given what he said to her right before, had he had his heart (and no guards/magic threatening him), I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have slept with her.

In storybrooke it's different, but still, it's Regina's version and obviously Graham's not feeling too well with this situation. And Emma helped him to unleash himsel from it (and he was killed after but that's an other story).

In this case, the "confirmation" that it was not a rape has no value to me. Probably a way to not loose too many Evil Regals. Not that I have anything against Evil Regals or Regina herself (well, her now self). I'm just saying.

if they pulled the same trick and reversed the genders there would be no question - a man manipulating a woman into sex would be a violation of the woman... there wouldn't be this justification... no one would say "she's a full grown woman" "she knows where it goes" - sure... but if she doesn't know whose it is, she doesn't have enough information to give consent..

"What happened to Robin Hood is rape because he did not give consent to have sex with Zelena. He gave consent to have sex with his wife." Exactly. It's rape.

If it were the other way around and Robin had disguised himself as Hades to get Zelena to sleep with him, I feel like more people would understand that it's rape but because Robin is a man and there is a natural bias against male victims of rape and sexual assault, it's harder to see that objectively.

^ Oh gosh yes! Thank you! I feel like his sex is definitely a factor. I feel as though a good handful of people are less sympathetic to male victims and that's not right. Granted these are fictional characters but taken to the real world this is a huge issue.

^ Agreed. You should look up a documentary called "Tabloid" about the case where a former Miss Wyoming abducted and raped a Mormon man against his will. You might find it very interesting. He never got much sympathy for it, most people joked about his being violated (disgusting, I know) and she didn't get much punishment for it either because she had stalked him out of the country and did it to him in England rather than America.

I think I found it; it's a 2010 film right? That's awful, it's bad enough that he was raped at all but to be made fun of afterwards is downright despicable.

^ Yup, I'm sure that's the one. This is definitely a unique [but true] story though.

I'll have to give it a watch. *I say as I have like 20 other things on my to watch list*

People in this thread scare me. If your husband/wife had a twin and they pretended to be your spouse to have sex with you then you would have been raped. That's the non magical equivalent and people who can't see that desperately need some lessons in informed consent.

YES! She did rape Robin Hood. Consent under dubious means doesn’t count. He consented to Marian not Zelena. So yea it’s rape and it’s not an opinion either just like Regina being a rapist is not an opinion

I'd say that Robin's later comment that he was "an unwilling participant" in the conception of their child shows that the writers knew and intended for this scenario to be interpreted as rape. I always thought that line was as close as they could get to have someone accuse Zelena of rape without actually using the word or any synonym (something I guess the show's rating wouldn't allow).

Another show I watched did a very similar story-line and I stopped watching when it was clear that they didn't realise the scenario counted as a rape.

Bamjgn has a good point in comparing it to an identical twin impersonating their sibling to sleep with that sibling's spouse of partner.