But I like that he's dead now.

^ lol

I don't think he's gone yet though.

Yeah, I have a feeling we'll be seeing more of him.

^ Me too..... As a villain still. Perhaps working with Cruella.

That would be interesting.

^ Did you see the way she looked at him? I know she has animal talent but wow, she looked like she had a bit of an animal reaction to seeing Arthur that first time. Haha. So that's why I think with Hook gone, he's going to go back to her and say "let's rule this place".

I know right lol! I just love her, they'd be an interesting duo to watch. I could probably ship that.

It would definitely be interesting and I may be in the minority here but I actually initially felt really bad for his character in the beginning because of the way his wife treated him.

I kind of had mixed feelings on the matter. On one had he had a huge responsibility and she could have been more understanding. On the other hand he used some kind of dust to make her do whatever he said and that sent of creep alarm bells in my head.

^ What made me upset was the fact that he clearly felt this huge burden, as you alluded to, but she refused to help him. When he asked her to go on the journey with him, she refused but then requested Lancelot's assistance to go on the same journey he had been asking her about. If she really hated how hard he was working over it then why didn't she help him if she was able to the whole time? Then to cheat on him with his best friend was just atrocious. I think it showed good strength of character that he only wanted her to love him again rather than trying to punish her. I realize that is one form of punishment but the point I am trying to make is his intent in the situation as a reaction to her actions. :)

Yeah that's where I started feeling bad for him as well. She wasn't very supportive and I think that's what pushed him over the edge. I was wondering the same thing; why didn't she help him at all? That confuse me some. They could have spent more time together. I definitely understand why he did what he did. But it doesn't justify it. It's like Regina; I understand why she did all the evils she did, but it's still not okay.

^ Can I just playfully point out how we have the same opinion yet chose different options as we have different feelings about the same opinion? I wanted to point that out because it's so much easier to do so with an entertainment or more superficial topic than a deep, political one but the concept is the same. I think that right there is one of the most forgotten things when it comes to political and social discussions. :)

That being said, totally agreed! I could understand where she was coming from until she told Arthur to leave it alone and then turned around and asked his best friend to help her find it rather than going to Arthur. That made me think she had feelings for Lancelot a lot longer than shown or she's just got something awfully wrong with her. Haha.

Of course you can. :P Right though, it's kinda crazy; it's almost like people who disagree on one level can share certain beliefs *stares long and hard at tumblr*. I think it's kind of cool to see that kind of thing. In fact it just happened over on the Winx spot; I picked 'no' she picked 'yes' and we seem to be agreeing on a lot lol. I just wish more people would realize this instead of having the 'you picked a different option so we must be completely different' mentality.

Yeah, I didn't support the cheating either. I didn't like when Milah (sp?) cheated on Rumple, I didn't care to see Gwen (lol @ the fact that I scrolled up to see if you remembered her name only to find out that we both didn't mention it so I had to google it because I couldn't remember if it was Nimueh or Gwen!) cheat on Arthur. She probably did have feelings for him prior to the show.

I agree. I won't get into it too much here as it's not the appropriate spot but that's my main problem with extreme republicans and democrats, both groups are so certain that they won't agree on anything before even attempting and I think that logic is so dangerous. Nobody's exactly the same and I don't know if anyone has perfect friends who agree with them on 100% on everything. Usually just talking over a couple things, let alone just 1 thing sometimes, can lead to a lot of warm and fuzzy feelings so I can see how a couple or 1 bad thing could lead to such negative but I think it's far too prejudicial to judge someone over 1 good or bad thing they say. Sometimes we agree on this but find out later we disagree on that. Sometimes we disagree here but find out later we totally agree there etc. Can we at least even get a legitimate amount of disagreements before getting written off? Haha.

I never like cheating but I really start losing respect for someone who's married that cheats and even worse if they have kids with that person. That's just me. I personally hate Milah for what she did to Rumple and Baelfire. I thought she was horrible and let's just say I was glad to see she didn't get her redemption in the end as I don't think she deserved it nor did I believe that she really cared that much about her son as she claimed. Anyways, I totally forgot Gwen's name! Haha. Thanks for looking that up. :)

Yeah as you said we should probably save this conversation for the debate spot. Though I will say it sucks that people feel as though one disagreement should mean the end of a friendship or even trying to just get along, it really doesn't have to end like that. Agreeing to disagree is something that exists. Like you said; at least wait til' the disagreements start adding up before deciding to quit.

Yeah, cheating while married is even worse. At least file for a divorce or something before hooking up with someone else, especially if kids are involved! I don't hate Milah but I don't really like her either for that. I kind of saw her side of things but Bael didn't deserve that. Bael deserved much better. Yeah me too lol, rather I keep mixing her up with Nimueh. No problem.

^ I agree. File for a divorce if you want to be with someone else so bad, you owe them that much. Honestly, I did hate Milah for that as I thought it as just awful to do to one's son and husband. I didn't see her side of things at all whereas I did see Gwen's side a bit, in that she felt ignored by Arthur choosing the weight of the world on his shoulders over his romance with her, though I didn't agree but I don't see Milah's side at all.

Honestly, I did hate Milah for that as I thought it as just awful to do to one's son and husband. It was definitely a very selfish thing to do. They deserved better. The only thing I can see Miliah's side on is that she thought Gold's reputation as 'the coward' would be damaging to Bae. I can see how that'd alarm her. But she ended up doing just as much damage to him as she was worried about.

^ My counter argument to Milah would be "Then why did she marry a 'coward' and have his baby?" No one forced Milah to marry Rumple and she knew about what his father had done to him as a child and how he was raised by 3 women for the majority of his youth. My problem with her was similar to Gwen's. Why marry someone if you don't actually love them and want to support them? I wouldn't excuse a father who abandons his duties and becomes an alcoholic because he hates his job so I don't see any excuse for a mother who abandons her duties and becomes an alcoholic and/or cheater because she later decided that she changed her mind about who she married. She never seemed supportive of Rumple and was always pushing him into things. I mean, calling him a coward because he doesn't want to kill a man to save your son? That makes him a good person, not a coward. I personally think Milah is the one who destroyed Rumple by pushing him over the edge. If she had been a person of more character, she would've either never married him knowing he wouldn't be what she wanted for a husband or father of her child(ren) or been more supportive and help him find his courage rather than trying to push him into traumatizing criminal activity. But that's just my observations of the situation. :)

Maybe she didn't think he was a coward at first? I think the issues between them started after he dodged the war; that's when the town started to shun him. And Milah was getting overwhelmed by a buttload of secondhand embarrassment. I mean it's still not a good reason to leave your husband. It's a reason though.

With Gwen perhaps she just didn't realize how much work he had to do and wasn't prepared. Again still not a good reason to cheat. If she recognized that it was an issue she should have just left him. Rip the band-aid off. That's where I take issue. If you don't love your spouse enough to support his/her job needs then don't cheat...end it. Move on and let that person find someone who can handle him/her.

I understand her being upset with him dodging the war but she didn't seem the slightest bit compassionate to the fact that the oracle told him he was going to die and he was trying to make it so his son didn't grow up without a father like he did. He was wrong and she had right to be so upset with him but I think she took it way too far and cared little about his intentions. When she looked him in the face and said she'd rather him be dead and have a fatherless child because of what other people thought, I think it showed that she didn't really love him and was just using him for marriage and support. I guess I would just think that if I really loved a man and was pregnant with his child and he was told he was going to die in battle, I would be upset that other people would see him as not having honor but at the same time he's not meant for battle and could be a better father/husband than soldier anyway. The ogres were going to win no matter what and it was actually Gold turning into the Dark One that was the only thing that stopped them. So I guess I feel like a wife in love and mother to be would care more about keeping her family whole than what other people think. Of course it's hard to be shunned by a village but I find it hard to understand why she'd rather be a single mother than shunned with her family together unless the reason was that she never loved Gold to begin with and wanted the chance to start over with a new man. I personally find that to be low and inhumane. I agree with you that I suppose there's technically a reason there but not a good one at all or even decent one as far as I can see.

I mean with Gwen it was crazy because they were children and he said he had the weight of the world on his shoulders and this prophecy but she said she wanted to support him then she didn't show it with her actions when she could have. He would've had less work to do if she helped him the way she helped Lancelot, you know? "If you don't love your spouse enough to support his/her job needs then don't cheat...end it. Move on and let that person find someone who can handle him/her." Agreed because cheating just muddies everything up and gets other people involved and I think reasonably brings about some animal instincts that don't always end well. haha. If you love someone enough to be with them, can't you love them enough to end it with dignity rather than cheating and humiliating them? Talk about embarrassment, especially with the spouse's best friend! -_-