HBO Asia releases the title of season 7 episode 4 

According to HBO Asia, the title for episode 7×04 is “The Spoils of War.” Oh dear. Let’s process this.

Here’s what we have to go on: last episode, Daenerys announced plans to move on Casterly Rock and Euron acquired his promised “gifts” for Cersei. In the preview for episode 3, Cersei mentions having drawn “first blood” and, lest we forget, the name of that episode is “The Queen’s Justice.”

So, episode 3 is going to be brutal, isn’t it? We’re going to be getting the Queens’ justice (note that placement of the apostrophe) and episode 4 will be probably the fallout. Gods help us all.

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Wow! Things are getting serious. I cannot help but think the spoils will be spoiled – not as in spoilers but as in burned to the ground kind of spoiled.

This is indeed a very interesting and foreboding title. Wasn’t expecting anything in that vein at all.

Particularly curious when you consider that according to LEAK SPOILERS

those who have read the leaks, episode 4 is meant to contain another battle, and is therefore not just an aftermath episode

I’m hoping they release the other titles fairly quickly, I’m really curious about them. “Dragonstone” and “Stormborn” were pretty lackluster/bland titles in my opinion, but “The Queen’s Justice” and “The Spoils of War” are considerably more intriguing. Hope Episodes 5-7 have similarly interesting titles.

Interesting title.Btw love how BoB has already entered the Westerosi lexicon.They do love their alliterations lol.

I thought it’s a reference to the adage “to the victor go the spoils”, i.e. the loot or the bounty – but knowing GoT it will have a double meaning.

Maybe they’ll focus a bit more on the effects of war on the civilian population. (My semi-tinfoil theory is that there’s going to be mass famine very soon. The only one with the foresight to add body weight as a buffer is Hot Pie )

Pouring one out for ‘Field Of Fire’. ‘Spoils Of War’ is good too. My guess is it refers to(leaks):

Jaime sacking Highgarden and bringing back food to KL. Only to be ambushed by the D,D&D(Dragons,Daenerys, and Dothraki).

Great! It was obviously going to be down from ep. 1, but still much higher than ever before.

I prefer the episode title many of us were guessing, but, it’s just a title.

Those Nielsen numbers are great again. A typical drop a bit from the premiere but still second highest for the series. Sweet!

At some point – maybe at the end of this season – they’d have to use the title “The Long Night”, don’t you think?

Queen’s Justice is not going to be good for Ellaria. I think Yara survives somehow.

At Schroedinger’s Stannis session at the conference, the Stannis fan panelists, which were all the panelists but one, argued that Stannis wouldn’t die the same way in the books. And I was thinking to myself, yeah, Brienne wasn’t even up there, so he’ll likely die some other way. But the panelists seemed convinced that Stannis would actually defeat Ramsay and go on to do battle elsewhere.

I tried not to comment and question so much because I know I can be a Hermione, but here I just had to ask, what about the BotB? I’d deduced well before the film spoilers came out with Kit pics that we’d have a “Battle of the Bastards” with the pink letter and with the alliteration and buildup of these two powerful bastards. That name is just too good and too intentionally built by both George and D&D to be ignored. But the Stannis panelists seemed to think that Stannis surviving was more important than the BotB, unfortunately.

as for next episode… Lena did say she was a “fat cow” to someone this season.. my guess that is Tyene… in front of her mom… and then Ellaria. lol

I also heard that people had a free preview of HBO for the premiere… so that could have helped?

I thought it’s a reference to the adage “to the victor go the spoils”, i.e. the loot or the bounty – but knowing GoT it will have a double meaning.

Yes, yes. A double entendre is what I meant.

OK – now I am very apprehensive- this title gives me the heebie jeebies

as for next episode… Lena did say she was a “fat cow” to someone this season.. my guess that is Tyene… in front of her mom… and then Ellaria. lol

I’m thinking Jaime, in the way she tosses him aside for two good hands.

I actually believe Stannis could defeat the Boltons in the book.

But the show really created a much stronger investment in Jon, and definitely had spent a couple seasons building up the parallels between him and Ramsay. So I like what they did. I never understood the Mannis fandom, even in the books where he is a more tolerable character.

I still believe many people constructed their own character from headcannons and fan forums.

Just wishful thinking – because I’m an Arya partisan (even though she was kind of rude to Hot Pie*): I’d like “The Princess of Winterfell” as an episode title.

* for what it’s worth, Arya’s refusal to answer/changing the subject when Hot Pie asked “What happened to you, Arry?” reminded me of Sansa’s evasiveness last season (6×2) when Brienne asked Sansa: “What happened to you at Winterfell?”

He could. But he won’t. We must be getting the Battle of the Bastards in the book, as well. It is too crucial to Jon’s legitimacy as a warrior and a leader to omit.

Given what’s on deck for this episode, I know people were quite set on “Field of Fire” as the title. I really liked it as well – it would be, as Sam said in the most recent episode, a bit more poetic. But given what precipitates the battle in question, I feel like “The Spoils of War” works equally well.

Amazing! While the ceiling for the show’s audience increases every year, this season looks like it will follow the standard track for Live+SD viewership: a new series high for the premiere, a (very) slight dip for Episode 2, and then things remain relatively level until the finale, at which point we should see another new series high.

I also heard that people had a free preview of HBO for the premiere… so that could have helped?

Friends of mine that watch when the box set comes out didn’t notice until the episode was about to air. Unfortunately they hadn’t seen 7×01 yet and didn’t catch the replay leading into the new episode so they had to skip watching 7×02.

Thrones destroyed everything else on cable. Nice. I knew there would be a drop off from the premiere, but 9.27 is still very nice. Looks like this season will be over 9 million and the finale might be over 10 million.

Look out, Dee! Those are the spoilers of war 🙂 . Seriously, Jaime will surely recall that this kind of punishment surely echoes Rickard and Brandon Stark’s punishment by the Mad King. So of the Mad King’s check boxes 1) Use wildfire in KL, 2) Execute a parent and child in the cruelest was possible, and 3) be killed by Jaime Lannister, only the third has not happened with Cersei. I still think Arya will kill Cersei, but Jaime is still decent and he clearly is unhappy with her. It’s ironic how in each of the three factions–Jon’s, Dany’s, and Cersei’s there’s major dissent.

Agreed, TB. And considering Jaime is worried about waning food and supplies, perhaps he’s about to take the Lannister army in a shopping trolley to gather some. I just hope we don’t see Arya’s nice soldier mates from Episode 1 get killed.

Mmm, the title reminds me of the penultimate episode of Rome season 1 called

. In that episode Brutus turns against Ceasar. Though of course Rome has nothing to do with GoT, but still.

Queen’s Justice is not going to be good for Ellaria. I think Yara survives somehow.

Yeah and next episode looks like (spoilers from the episode 3 preview)

the CR battle. So looks like we’re getting 3 battles in a row. The sea battle, the CR battle, and whatever is in episode 4

I think we should get it over and done with next week.

Jon should walk into the hall and just casually strip his clothes off and Dany follows suit and they just make with the sex on the throne while everyone watches uncomfortably.

Then we can just cut to adds on a pre-orgasm shot, or better still, another cut to a pie ‘exploding’.

Maybe they’ll focus a bit more on the effects of war on the civilian population. (My semi-tinfoil theory is that there’s going to be mass famine very soon.The only one with the foresight to add body weight as a buffer is Hot Pie )

That makes sense actually, Ten Bears, – are you a book reader? I went to the books after the show and I’m not one of those people who thinks EVERYTHING is the books surpasses the show but Mr Martin did a good job in the novels of bringing out the haplessness of ordinary folk caught up in the nobles’ wars. Harvests being “spoiled” – that sort of thing. It’s been brought out to some extent in the show – the riot in Kings Landing when Myrcella leaves for Dorne in season 2, and although I didn’t like the character of Talisa she did mention that the soldier who lost a foot had been an ordinary lad in Lannisport before he was conscripted for war (I still think the sassy medicine woman cheeking a Medieval king was out of place in a series which while being a fantasy prides itself on having a healthy dose of realism among the dragons and other mythical elements). I’ve gone on a bit – but with your reference to the spoils going to the victor, while I’ve avoided leaks on the whole but I did see the photographs of Euron parading Ellaria and Tyene and Yara which made me think of how ancient Romans used to parade their captives through the streets of Rome. Though of course it looks as if the parade will be in episode 3 rather than episode 4 (i.e. before the “spoils of war” meaning/s is/are revealed).

I hope, but I think that might be more of a Season 8 title. Perhaps the Season 8 premiere.

I must commend you for your restraint. I wouldn’t have been able to stomach it. I would have broken down and retorted, or – perhaps more likely – I would have walked out of the panel in disgust.

In general, I’ll be perfectly fine if “The Winds of Winter” is never released. But one of the reasons I do want that book eventually is so that we can finally get a reality check on this whole Schrodinger’s Stannis nonsense and, preferably, drive a stake through it. People can write as many 10,000 word Reddit essays as they want about Stannis’s brilliant frozen-lake gambit to defeat the Frey troops (the Westerosi equivalent of paper people) that the Boltons sent out as sacrificial lambs, but sooner or later they need to bite down on the hard truth that their beloved “One True King” is doomed, as is his daughter (confirmed), his cause, and his falsely inflated sense of mythos. (I do think he will hold out longer than he did in the show, but that’s also because I believe that Jon will spend most of “The Winds of Winter” sitting in an ice cell, deceased, while Martin writes several trippy chapters about his consciousness floating – something that the show wasn’t going to do. But once Jon comes back, I believe things will play out in a relatively similar fashion to what we saw in the show. I could be wrong, but this quixotic belief on the part of certain Stannis fans that the show took away his grand victory over the Boltons so they could give it to Jon (who all but the most deluded must acknowledge is a far more important character) annoys me to no end.

Stark Raven’ Rad: Look out, Dee! Those are the spoilers of war . Seriously, Jaime will surely recall that this kind of punishment surely echoes Rickard and Brandon Stark’s punishment by the Mad King. So of the Mad King’s check boxes 1) Use wildfire in KL, 2) Execute a parent and child in the cruelest was possible, and 3) be killed by Jaime Lannister, only the third has not happened with Cersei. I still think Arya will kill Cersei, but Jaime is still decent and he clearly is unhappy with her. It’s ironic how in each of the three factions–Jon’s, Dany’s, and Cersei’s there’s major dissent.

You think Arya will kill her??? So you think she will go back to KL and not home?

Please, no spoilers. I hadn’t seen the photographs Dame of Mercia refers to.

For many of these people, their own personal love for a tertiary character is more important than the story as a whole.

A character who they have completely rewritten in their minds into someone else entirely.

Thanks so much! I am relieved I’m not the only one.

Here’s the problem : Stannis can’t both sacrifice Shireen and die to the Boltons.

It has to be one or the other, since she’s at Castle Black. That’s why I believe he may win against the Boltons. It has nothing to do with who is more important, obviously Jon is more important. It just has to do with logistics.

I think Shireen being sacrificed can only have the proper impact if Stannis is the one doing it. It seems reasonable to think he’ll defeat the Boltons, live to fight another day, and sacrifice his daughter at some later, more dire point.

Otherwise, it means Melisandre will sacrifice Shireen on her own, in which case the show’s decision to go pretty far out of its way to have Stannis do it is even more questionable.

Either way, the show had Stannis burn his daughter, and head into a losing battle against Ramsay like an incompetent fool. One of those two things is not happening in the novels.

“Winds” is opening with the battle for Winterfell, and Shireen still lives. Something pretty massive will be different from the show.

That’s not it at all, it’s just a question of logic. How can Stannis sacrifice Shireen in the books if he dies at Winterfell ?

The battle is about to begin and Shireen is at the Wall. I do think Stannis will end up burning her in the books, so in order for that to happen, he can’t die to the Boltons.

I think the plot point of melisandre pushing a man to burn his own daughter to no real result seems like something I’d imagine happening in the books.

There is no emotional weight if she just does it of her own will

Sorry Grandmaester – I have avoided leaks myself if I can. The photos I alluded to were taken by (I think) members of the public or maybe it was photojournalists – who took photographs while GoT was shooting in Spain (I think in whatever city stood in for Kings Landing during the making of GoT season 7). I just took it for granted it was okay to mention them because they were in the public domain but I’ll be mindful to be careful of what I post in future. Don’t make me drink any of your ghastly Grandmaesterish concoctions please for a slip of the computer keyboard!

What if Stannis loses the battle but survives himself (just like in the Battle of Blackwater) and goes back to the wall to sacrifice Shireen as a last resort? At this point I presume he’d go mad tho.

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