Genie isn't a shabiki of Donald Trump

dee389 :D!!!

Persephone713 GO GENIE!!!!!!!!! I LOVE IT!

JaDangerz Donald Trump is such an idiot. But not Genie, if you ask me Genie should run for president

dee389 ^^Totally, I became very hateful of Donald!

JaDangerz ^^Ditto my friend

ApplesauceDoctr This is the single greatest thing I have ever seen in my life.

twinklestar11 lol

laylastepford I miss the days when people had enough integrity and emotional stability to be honest and credible about when they just didn't like someone instead of having to make things up. If Trump is an "idiot" then what does that make the millions of other Americans who are no where near as successful? He went to a top ivy league university and made billions of dollars on his own. I think people should start thinking about the meaning of their words because saying something as nonsensical as "Trump is an idiot" only insults yourself or other Americans. The only person it doesn't insult is Trump himself. When it comes to politics people should be focusing on the issues not the labels.

Sparklefairy375 Yeah! I hate Trump as he always racist with my religion! For American peoples, be sure you don't choose him!

laylastepford ^ You can't be racist against a religion. That makes no sense.

ace2000 laylastepford: Trump may not be an idiot in terms of finance and real estate but he has very strong views that many people disapprove of (including myself, because he's made fun of both Asians and women), especially his view that all Muslims not presently in the U.S. should be kept out, even Muslims who are U.S. citizens yet happen to be traveling. I view his ideas as prejudicial and insulting, and I believe this is why people call him an idiot - because they think his ideas are idiocy. And I believe Sparklefairy375 meant racist against her race but I could be wrong.

laylastepford ace2000: You are absolutely right about Trump having controversial opinions that many don’t approve of but that doesn’t equate to idiocy. He has a very high IQ that is much higher than the average American including myself even though I also have a slightly above average IQ. So to call him an “idiot” is to call the majority of Americans, “idiots” as well which I just find to be worse than the things that he has said himself. I completely understand that you don’t like what he said but that’s why I would encourage people to use accurate insults instead of just making things up that only actually serve to insult others rather than him, himself. If people think his ideas are idiotic then I’d love for them to explain why he got into one of the top colleges and has been so successful and why they haven’t been as successful as him nor got into as great a college yet somehow claim to be in a position to call him idiotic. It’s understandable to think his plan is extreme but not idiotic. I don’t personally see how his plan is insulting since his main point is that since the government has no way of figuring out who might be a terrorist taking advantage of the refugee situation, Trump isn’t willing to take any chances. I also don’t see how it’s prejudicial because he didn’t say it was because he thinks all Muslims are bad people, he said it’s because he doesn’t know which Muslims believe in the same ideology as ISIS or not and Muslims have a higher rate of agreeing with that ideology than any other subgroup of Americans. If just 1 wrong person is accidentally let in then a lot of people will die for it. He isn’t saying Muslims should never be allowed in America, he’s saying they should be temporarily banned from coming into the country until the government comes up with an efficient way to weed out the “good from the bad”. So I think people should be willing to look at all of the factors into this decision and make sure they understand it before making a judgment or jumping at throwing a label on things. If people don’t understand why he said what he did, then they aren’t going to be able to fully understand the problem or solution. I just think it’s ironic that people complain about the way Trump is handling the politics yet then they turn around and throw out equally offensive labels immediately before maturely thinking and talking things through. I assumed Sparklefairy375 meant religion not race concerning the “Muslim” comments Trump made that you alluded to but I could be wrong as well.

laylastepford ^ He also never said anything negative about women or Asians. He has many Asian and female employees in addition to doing lots of business with different Asian companies. They've never complained about him being racist against them. He's also given a lot of extra responsibility to his daughter, a woman, since beginning his campaign even though he has a son who is older.

ace2000 ^ Comments on Asians: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-mocks-asians-broken-english-speech-article-1.2338344 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-south-korea_56201e57e4b08d94253e88a9 http://abc7.com/news/asian-americans-upset-by-donald-trumps-recent-remarks/960051/ Comments on Women: (articles seem a bit shakier but still check them out) http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/08/12/fact-check-trump-comments-women-megyn-kelly/31525419/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/18-real-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-women_55d356a8e4b07addcb442023 http://time.com/4037757/donald-trump-carly-fiorina-republican-debate/ ^^ I'm one of those people who doesn't think IQ is everything. ^And of course he doesn't want to insult people he works with presently - major money loss.

laylastepford ^ Thank you for posting those because I had no reference for what you were talking about. I read all 6 and will give you my comments on them. I hope you know that I mean no offense to you and am just trying to have a healthy discussion with you about it all. :) Comments on Asians: As you know, I am mixed Asian myself so I am not trying to speak for all Asians but I would like to say that I think most Asians would not be insulted by what he said in your 1st link. I think most Asians would see it as a compliment because in the context of what he said, he was insulting Americans by saying that they don’t know how to get straight down to business like the Asians do. I also believe that Trump gave a full imitation in order to show the nuance of how quick the people he was talking about got to business. If someone were to repeat something a French or Italian etc. said, they would likely do a full imitation as well as that would give it a more accurate representation of the nuances in what was said and how it was said. I do not believe that it was meant to be insulting at all but complimentary and accurate. Additionally, the person who said that the Asian community was offended was also a lobbyist for the democrats and I don’t trust lobbyists. I would honestly be surprised if Asians were offended by Trump because they are statistically the least emotional (and most logical) group in America. The 2nd link just says that he asked a student if he was a Korean. I fail to see how that would be insulting to all Asians? I didn’t think it was offensive to ask a question, especially when it was relevant to the subject that the guy brought up. This statement of Trump’s is also being taken out of context. When he said “South Korea doesn’t pay anything towards the costs of the U.S. military support”, he was speaking relatively. I believe he even brought up the figure himself but said “that’s nothing”. It was a figure of speech and not meant to be taken literally. The 3rd link makes no sense to me of why any Asian-Americans would be offended at what he said. If they are American citizens, then why would they be offended at what Trump said about China? Even if they were Chinese citizens, I don’t think they would be offended because again it is taking a statement out of context. He is insulting America here by saying that China is stealing all of the good trade deals. He is trying to make the point that America is losing in trade where China is winning so I fail to see how any Asian-Americans could be offended by this? Furthermore, it is the same democrat lobbyist group from the 1st link that is saying “Asian-Americans are insulted by his statements” but I really don’t see how that could be true. Comments on Women: The 1st link is just a medley of different insults he used towards different women and I fail to see what that has to do with [b][u]all[/b][/u] women unless you believe women should be treated differently and never insulted though they can insult men and each other. The 1st insult mentioned is the clip from one of the debates when he insulted Rosie O’Donnell. I’m sorry but I don’t see how his insulting 1 woman is suddenly an insult on all women nor do I believe that. I have insulted a woman before and that doesn’t mean that I hate all women. Again, it’s also taken out of context. Even in the article it shows how Donald Trump and Rosie O’Donnell were throwing insults at [b]each other[/b]. How come no one is calling Rosie O’Donnell a misandrist yet he’s a misogynist? It’s very sexist and extreme to say that if a woman insults a man it’s fine but if a man insults a woman then suddenly it’s hatred of all women. I don’t agree with that at all nor do I see how that is equality for both genders. Also, what is sexist about saying fat pig? That phrase can be easily applied to either gender. The 2nd insult mentioned is about an editor whom he said “is a dog who wrongfully comments on me”. What is sexist about that? Again that sentence could be just as easily applied to a man and has nothing to do with gender. Additionally, it is a reaction that Trump had to feeling insulted by what this woman wrote first. I am not saying it was a mature or proper way to react but I fail to see how suddenly he’s a misogynist for saying something bad about her yet she’s not a misandrist for saying something bad about him. The 3rd insult is at Rosie O’Donnell again. A woman he does not get along with who insults him as well and who does not represent all women at all. The term slob can also be just as easily applied to men as women and factually is actually applied more to men than woman so I see no sexism here either. The 4th insult is also at Rosie O’Donnell. This time he said “disgusting animal”. I’m sure if we had a list of what Rosie O’Donnell has said about Donald Trump, it would be just as nasty. Again I see no sexism here. The 2nd link is completely contrived. (1) He made an insult about his ex-wife. It is very common for both men and women to insult their ex-spouses. That’s not sexism. (2) "Beauty and elegance, whether in a woman, a building, or a work of art, [b]is not just superficial or something pretty to see.[/b]" How is this one even being used against him? The article is accusing him of saying “women are essentially aesthetically-pleasing objects” but then writes that he said they are “not just.. something pretty to see”. The article just flat-out lied here and proved themselves that they lied. It’s indicative of the media. (3) Trump is 100% right about this and being politically incorrect is not the same as being sexist. Women do get raped in the military and it is awful. The reason why he said what he did is because it should be common sense that young men who are amped up and who have brains that connect violence and sex should not be put around women in the military. He wasn’t saying this stuff happens “whenever men and women are together”, he was talking specifically about the environment of the military and he’s trying to protect and stand up for women with this comment. (4) Again, this is a politically incorrect statement that is not sexist at all. He didn’t say all women, he said this particular group of women. Honestly, I have met the exact kind of women he is talking about and he’s not trying to insult them but help them with this statement. Some women are not very bright at all and they cannot hold a job, I know this because I tried to train them and even with a computer calculator that did math for them, they still couldn’t get any numbers right and it was truly sad. This is not all women, of course! But that’s not to say that some women have more benefits in the physical department than mental department. That doesn’t make what Trump said proper but it certainly wasn’t sexist. (5) Of course that was not a proper way to put that statement but it was not sexist at all nor towards all women. In his arrogant way, he was saying that he didn’t care what the media was writing about him because he had a young and beautiful woman, which he meant as a compliment to her (and she took it as such). This is again, taken out of context in 1991 just after he had a divorce with his wife and left her for another woman. I am not saying this is right but it’s not sexist. Remember that sexist means towards the entire sex, not just 1 individual of that sex. (6) Trump is being honest here and again, politically incorrect. The fact of the matter is, when a woman on TV (especially a reporter) is more attractive, the ratings for that show go up. We can debate whether or not that is right or wrong but Trump shouldn’t be called sexist for being the messenger. (7) There is some debate about this. I am not going to pretend to know the facts because I was not there but it should be noted that Trump said the woman asked if she could breastmilk there in the office which is why he reacted the way he did. I am not saying that’s right or wrong, but trying to be fair. We don’t know the details of this to say exactly what happened but we do know enough to know it’s not sexist. He didn’t say anything against all women and as a human being, he has a right to find certain things disgusting especially that are foreign to him. There are plenty of things that men do, unique to them, that women find to be completely and utterly disgusting as well. We are different and that has been proven time and time again. (8) The only line that is even remotely credible so far. Unfortunately, the book is advertised to be about the “women in his life” not all women though the quote seems directed at all women. I haven’t read this book so I can’t make an opinion on the context of this but certainly it doesn’t look good. (9) This is a true statement, I have seen it myself from multiple women, and again he says “women” not “all women” so it’s not sexist. It’s just another example of being politically incorrect which means not pretending that all women are good people and no women could be bad people. (10) You may not agree with this, but I don’t see it as sexist at all. It’s a valid question in my opinion, just as it would be a valid question for someone to ask Trump the same thing in reverse about his divorces. That’s not sexism, it’s not against all women. (11) The article distorts his quote here. It says he says “Angelina Jolie has dated too many guys to be attractive.” Yet what he said, according to the article itself, is that A) “[Angelina Jolie’s] been with so many guys she makes me look like a baby” & B) “And, I just don’t even find her attractive”. Those are 2 separate statements that Trump made and the media combined it into 1 to change it into something else. Neither of the 2 quotes are sexist, they are just his opinions and observations about her as a person, not about all women. (12) A comment of his opinion on 1 woman does not equate sexism towards all women. There are plenty of women that I and many people find to have an “ugly face and body”. That has nothing to do with sexism and everything to do with preference. (13) An insult towards Rosie that I’ve already well explained. Most important point: Making an insult about 1 woman does not make you a sexist, just as making an insult about 1 man does not make you a sexist. (14) That’s a favorite part of [b]many[/b] people who have seen that film and has nothing to do with sexism but the context of the scene. (15) Already explained this in other link you sent. 1 comment about 1 person doesn’t make someone a hater of all people who have something in common with that 1 person. (16) Again 1 comment about 1 person that has nothing to do with sexism or the line that the article gave because he didn’t even mention himself in the comment. (17) Another politically incorrect but true statement. Trump says “women” not “all women” and he is speaking from experience. A lot of women are attracted to power (and money) and they do throw themselves at men in such positions. Most mistresses of men who have similar wealth and power to Trump know that the guy has a wife, he’s a public figure and everyone knows he has a wife! So this is sadly true and those women should be ashamed of themselves in my opinion. (18) I wasn’t there nor did I watch this show but I do know that 1 of the black women from this show and I think 1 white women go around supporting Trump’s campaign to this day so they obviously weren’t offended and again, this wouldn’t have been sexist. He is talking in context about a specific group in a specific setting. The 3rd link is primarily about 1 woman, again not all women. I don’t understand what was wrong with what he said about Fiorina at all, nor how it was sexist? You could just as easily say about a man “Look at that face! Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president.” I do believe he was talking about persona because that makes logical sense. About his comment about Jeb’s wife, again has nothing to do with sexism and is actually very relevant. Trump was pointing this out because he was linking it to Jeb being soft on immigration, since he has a personal bias. That’s not sexist, it’s just politics.

ace2000 Wow. I appreciate how detailed of a response you wrote. :) I personally think the Asian comments are to be determined by each person's opinion. For instance, where you took Trump's imitation to be complimentary, an attempt to show the nuance of how quick the people he was talking about got to business, I saw it as a prejudicial statement that Asians are to be silently laughed at because they only care about money and have no common decency. People with broken English saying "We want deal" upon first approaching someone... I mean, that's my interpretation. To me, it's the equivalent of the "ching chang chong" phrase. And asking if the kid who is objecting to Trump's incorrect statements about South Korea and happens to be Asian is Korean - I thought I sensed an undercurrent of skepticality from Donald Trump; like the kid is trying to defend his country even though Trump's information is clearly correct. If it's not apparent, think of the situation a different way. Think of it like if a kid who happens to be Hispanic and is stating that there are really less shootings in Mexico than have been said by a teacher, is asked by the teacher, "Are you Mexican?" I don't know... Maybe it's just me, because I take every question as a personal question and not as an objective question. I reread the links concerning women, and I've changed my mind - I think most of his comments just show that he's not a particularly nice person. However, his book is a major cause of concern for me, as it is for you.

Sparklefairy375 @laylastepford and ace2000: True, I talked about his statement about Muslim. I mean he was very racist with Muslims, and Muslims are part of Islam (religion).

dee389 Not only that, but about Mexican immigrants too!

laylastepford ace2000: Thank you for appreciating it and not being offended by it! I think it’s so important for people to be able to talk about detailed things without taking it so personally offensive. I think it’s so great that you’re so understanding and open-minded! :) You took the time and showed me respect with your comments so I just want to do the same in return. <3 I completely agree with you about the perception of Trump’s imitations being completely subjective. I can definitely see how you and other people would see it as being potentially offensive. I don’t know if you watched his entire speech when he made those comments or not but coincidentally, I did see that speech and so I was giving you my opinion based on the context of what he was saying which was objectively meant to insult the American government and the way they do deals. To me, there is a huge difference between using an example about an Asian business partner’s broken English in the context of quoting them (especially to make fun of Americans with that example), and proactively making up nonsensical words to imitate an Asian language (which is almost always intended to make fun of all Asians racially). I completely agree with you that Trump definitely asked the kid if he was Korean because he was Asian and objecting to his statements. While I can certainly agree that it wasn’t the most appropriate or proper thing to say, I don’t see the racism in it. I believe if Donald Trump was talking to a Mexican, for example, about the border and statistics related to that, that he would ask a similar question of “Are you Mexican?” I don’t see the prejudice in this though. If Donald Trump said “You can only talk to me about these statistics if you are Korean” then I would completely agree that it was totally out of line. Since he simply just asked if the guy was Korean, I don’t see the prejudice. I personally don’t think it’s wrong if people want to ask you what your relation or connection is to a subject that you bring up, as long as they are balanced with the answer provided. As far as the example you gave with the teacher, it’s a bit different to me depending on whether or not we are talking about a teacher of minors or adults firstly. Secondly, if it’s minors then I would believe it would be inappropriate to say. However, if one is talking to an adult student then I think it depends on the context of how they use it and react to the student’s answer. If the student answers yes and the teacher asks something like “Have you personally experienced these shootings or known anyone involved?” then I think it would be absolutely relevant because it allows for more detailed questions, answers and communication to follow. (I don’t think we should be so afraid of offending someone that we can’t even ask what race they are, etc.) If the student answers no and the teacher says something like “Then shut up and sit down.” Then I would say that’s completely inappropriate and not right. If the teacher instead responded “Well where are you getting your information from?” then I would not say it was inappropriate as the teacher is making sure the source is relevant. I hope that all makes sense? That is why I think context is so important and should not be left out of such sound bites etc. I agree that Trump’s statements do not make him a sexist but just not a particularly nice person, as you said. He says plenty of similar things towards plenty of males yet doesn’t get called misandrist for it. The main reason is women/feminists have a very powerful lobbyist group and men don’t which means people in the media are far more likely to get away with insulting men without getting labeled but the same is not true about women. I also agree about the concern being the book, which I have not read.

laylastepford [b]Sparklefairy375:[/b] I apologize for my choice of wording as that wasn’t very eloquent and very blunt. I was just a bit upset at how much the word “racist” is used incorrectly. Trump was not racist with Muslims as they are a religion (not race) that is made up of people of many races. The word you are looking for is “prejudice”. That being said, he wasn’t prejudice towards all Muslims as he didn’t say all Muslims are bad people. He simply said we can’t tell which Muslims are involved in ISIS and which ones aren’t so he doesn’t want to take chances. I am not saying what he said was right but merely pointing out why neither “racism” nor “prejudice” really accurately applies here. [b]dee389:[/b] The Mexican immigrant thing is way blown out of context. He never grouped in all Mexican immigrants together, he made a comment about a specific group of Mexican immigrants (and other ethnicities) who commit illegal acts. This also couldn’t be racism for multiple reasons but primarily Mexicans aren’t a race either.

Sparklefairy375 @laylastepford: I don't know but with his statement to keep track of Muslims in USA, what's that mean? All Muslims are terrorist like ISIS, huh? I am as Muslim very offended with it, and I'm really sure all other Muslims in the world have the same feeling too.

laylastepford [b]Sparklefairy375:[/b] The reason he made the statement he did was because Muslims have the highest rate of any sub-group in America to share the same beliefs as ISIS, not that all Muslims share the same beliefs as ISIS. I am not trying to be rude but genuinely asking if you see the distinction? I am not saying I agree but I can understand why he said what he did and that it didn’t have any malicious intent towards all Muslims. I also think it’s really important, especially with politics, to think about the reality of things and not just think about the feelings which are superficial, unstable, flighty and often irrational. Realistically, this ties in to his major campaign focus of immigration problems and the fact that immigration in the US is not efficient or properly handled right now. I’m pretty sure that if he was the President right now, he’d actually be shutting off the borders to everyone until the immigration policies and illegal immigrants are sorted out. Unfortunately, because of the Muslims involved in the latest bombing, they were the group that happened to be in the spotlight.