He SOO made up for it

Two hundred years locked up in a coffin...give me a break - our favorite vampire has more than done his dues.

I don't remember what he did in 1795 that needed forgiveness? He was a victim most of the time. He rightly bricked up Rev. Trask. He rightly killed the wretched Nathan. He couldn't help it that Abigail had a heart attack. He needed to drink the docksies' blood to survive. Maude Browning was going to blow the whistle on him. Perhaps he needs forgiveness for Suki Forbes' killing but she was out to hurt Millicent and get some of the Collins family money. IMO, Barnabas needs forgiveness for a lot more things he did in 1967 than he did in 1795. 1897 also... he needlessly killed Carl Collins.

Yeah, I agree with belleroguy. About the worst thing he did in 1795 was lead Angelique into believing he loved her and then dump her. THAT I can't forgive him for, but the rest of the time, yeah, he was the victim.

Well, it was stated that Barnabas only turned to Angelique briefly because he didn't think Josette returned his love, so maybe we should blame Josette for playing the coy maiden for a tad too long. LOL! I don't think he did all that much in 1795 that was unforgivable. Most of his misdeeds were because of Angelique's vampire curse, except for shooting his uncle Jeremiah for marrying Josette. His actions in 1967 were far more vile, but I think he made up for most of that later on.

The only thing he did wrong was have a brief affair with Josette's maid Angelique but she was a witch and could have forced him into it.
He did so many good things for which he should be proud.

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It wasn't Barnabas' fault. He couldn't help what he did in 1795. He did a lot of stuff in 1967, but that's when they wanted him to be the villian.

What did he do that was so terrible in 1795? He rightfully killed Trask and Forbes, but those hookers at the docks?

Maybe he doesn't DESERVE forgiveness, but who does? Gotta forgive him ANYWAY!

Most of the things that occurred in 1795 were done TO Barnabas or were the direct result of Angelique's curse. He did have a temper fit and shoot Jeremiah for marrying Josette, but men often fought duels in the 18th century. It was in 1967 that Barnabas did the most damage, but he did many good things later on which, I think, made up for that.

I agree. Barnabas was mostly a victim in 1795. It was 1967 that he needed forgiveness for.

ITA. Most of Barnabas' actions in 1795 were because of Angelique's curse and her thinking it had been some great love affair between them instead of just sex. I blame Angelique more for 1795 than Barnabas. His behavior in 1967 was far more reprehensible, but he redeemed himself later on.

Apart from shooting Jeremiah and deciding to kill Angelique the moment he realized she was a witch, I don't think human Barnabas did anything all that bad. The rest of his actions in 1795 were the result of becoming a vampire, so I'd blame those more on Angelique than Barnabas. I guess you could argue the same holds true for his actions after being freed from his coffin in 1967, except we didn't yet know Barnabas was a vampire because of a woman scorned. Anyway, he made up for his mistakes later on, IMHO.

Notice that no one who picked "no" didn't comment. I wonder why.

Alex Forrest...I mean, Angelique was to blame for 1795.

LOL, agingrapidly. So true.

I think Barnabas' body count was bigger in 1795 (also 1897, when he was supposed to be reformed). In 1967 he bit and enslaved Willie, did a despicable thing to Maggie, terrorized Willie, Julia,and David, bit Carolyn and Vicki, etc., but the only two people I can remember him actually killing were Jason McGuire and Dave Woodard. Still, that was the "curse." His need to be in control and self-preservation. And he did make up for his actions, imo, later on.

After Vicky came back from 1795 was when they really had Barnabas make-up for his actions and he and Julia reconciled and they were great friends throughout the rest of the series. I never liked the episodes when Barnabas and Carolyn were tormenting her. I did like their initial episodes, that's what drew me in. I guess I always liked them working together. Even though he did a terrible thing to Angelique, and Julia, he did somehow make up for it.

I guess I've never really "got" what Barnabas was supposed to have done to Angelique? Refused to continue a booty call after he became engaged to the woman he loved? How childish. None of that justified what she did to Barnabas and everyone around her. In my opinion, it was Angelique who was responsible for the events of 1795, even her own "death" by strangulation. She made him the monster he became.

What did Barnabas do to Angelique that was so bad? It is true he deceived her into thinking he loved her, when he didn't. But he went back to Josette because Angelique was batshit crazy!!!

In my eyes, Angelique was the aggressor, temptress, and seducer. Apart from the obvious jealously of and disdain she felt for Josette, it was shown that she viewed Barnabas as her meal ticket--a way out of her servitude. I believe that she showed her true colors after Barnabas died, when she and Joshua were discussing the terms of the estate. She made it patently clear that she would begin living as a great lady, would travel abroad, even make The Old House a much more lavish place. And, he wasn't even cold in his tomb, yet! That's how much she really loved him. Sure, they had a few nights together in Martinique and, yes, he may have said some intimate words to her in the heat of passion, but from the way in which she threw herself at him upon her arrival at The Old House, it seemed she was hell-bent on seducing him into a continuance of a relationship that both knew could not last. It would not surprise me that it was she, rather than he, who made the initial move in that ill-fated affair of theirs. I can just see her batting her eyes at him, cuddling up to him, whenever Josette turned her back. Therefore, "NO", he did not deserve the fate meted out by her and, "YES", he deserved our sympathy for putting up with this manipulative creature. Whatever foul deeds he may have done in 1795 were the result of her vindictiveness toward him, his family, and what few friends he may have had. He was operating in survival mode as a vampire--he had little control over himself--and, if he brought harm to others it was usually because he was trying to save himself or the lives of others whom he cherished.

He so deserved to be forgiven. he has done so much to make up for what was done that if any question remained it's been answered. The one who should be held accountable is angelique, she was the one person who caused the most harm. If it had not been for her there would be no question barnabas would not have been what he became. For the most part, even though angelique kept up her attacks on Barnabas, he remained true to his family and the people he cared about. Risking his life to save them.

yes..with a face like that how could you not forgive him!

Barnabas is extremely passionate. We never learned the details behind the Barnabas/Angelique affair in Martinique but I would guess it was wild, passionate, and sincere... for the moment. Both were probably head over heels, wildly attracted to the other and could match each others passion. However, after the initial infatuation, Barnabas could have detected her nasty, cruel, possessive interior and fought his own infatuation after seeing her controlling, envious nature. Though still highly attracted, he knew the danger and tried to distance himself. He could easily transfer that passion to Josette who was also beautiful but without Angelique's duplicity.

Barnabas's passion does make him flawed, and he does err at times like by his dueling with Jeremiah. He also refuses to let go of his romantic, unrealistic dreams even at the cost of others happiness. Over time he finds a more productive outlet for his intense passions, embraces his conscience, and assumes the selfless role of protector of the Collins. He also attempts other good deeds which are often thwarted by the obsessed and infatuated Angelique. Overall, he more than made up for the evil deeds he did when he was consumed by the self-pity, loneliness and tragedy that the 1795 era brought to him after he found a healthy. productive and selfless goal.

Barnabas was a victim in 1795. I don't see much that he needed forgiveness for, other than the duel with Jeremiah. And that wouldn't have happened if he had been aware of why Josette and Jeremiah had married. Angelique was quite pathetic and obviously insane . A booty call who wouldn't let go after a one night stand that Barnabas very much regretted. Barnabas had all my sympathy.

I never thought I could forgive him when I was watching 1967, then I saw 1795 and it was in the final Joshua scenes that my heart went out to him- that was so moving. I finally felt sympathy for him. Then in the 1968 season he becomes human and so lovely! Looking after everyone in 1969 when Roger is London- Chris, the children and rescuing Vicki and Peter in the trip to 1796- that was very risky for him.


"In my eyes, Angelique was the aggressor, temptress, and seducer. Apart from the obvious jealously of and disdain she felt for Josette, it was shown that she viewed Barnabas as her meal ticket--a way out of her servitude. I believe that she showed her true colors after Barnabas died, when she and Joshua were discussing the terms of the estate. She made it patently clear that she would begin living as a great lady, would travel abroad, even make The Old House a much more lavish place. And, he wasn't even cold in his tomb, yet! That's how much she really loved him. "

I agree totally- she is a user!

"Sure, they had a few nights together in Martinique and, yes, he may have said some intimate words to her in the heat of passion, but from the way in which she threw herself at him upon her arrival at The Old House, it seemed she was hell-bent on seducing him into a continuance of a relationship that both knew could not last. It would not surprise me that it was she, rather than he, who made the initial move in that ill-fated affair of theirs. I can just see her batting her eyes at him, cuddling up to him, whenever Josette turned her back. Therefore, "NO", he did not deserve the fate meted out by her and, "YES", he deserved our sympathy for putting up with this manipulative creature. "

I agree- this is all true- I expect that she used her witchcraft on him in the first place. He loved Josette truly and deeply.

"Whatever foul deeds he may have done in 1795 were the result of her vindictiveness toward him, his family, and what few friends he may have had. He was operating in survival mode as a vampire--he had little control over himself--and, if he brought harm to others it was usually because he was trying to save himself or the lives of others whom he cherished. "

Yes, think of all the trauma he was going through, one after the other, no wonder he awakened in 1967 so angry and emotionally disturbed.

"Barnabas is extremely passionate. We never learned the details behind the Barnabas/Angelique affair in Martinique but I would guess it was wild, passionate, and sincere... for the moment. Both were probably head over heels, wildly attracted to the other and could match each others passion. However, after the initial infatuation, Barnabas could have detected her nasty, cruel, possessive interior and fought his own infatuation after seeing her controlling, envious nature. Though still highly attracted, he knew the danger and tried to distance himself. He could easily transfer that passion to Josette who was also beautiful but without Angelique's duplicity. "

Agreed! He'd never have had a happy marriage with Angelique (unlike he would have with Josette)- he'd only have had to have smiled politely at a shop girl or something and she'd have been choking him with jealousy!