Disney Princess
Disney Princess Most Selfless Disney Princess Round 1. Pick the LEAST selfless. Please maoni as much as possible.
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Ariel
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Merida
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Elsa
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Snow White
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cinderella
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Aurora
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Belle
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jimmy, hunitumia
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Mulan
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Pocahontas
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Tiana
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Rapunzel
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Anna
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Merida's my first choice. While I do know the circumstances and the reasons for why Merida acted as she did, Merida also crossed a great moral boundary by thinking she had the right "to change someone else's mental thought process for them." When things backfired on her, I didn't feel as sympathetic towards her.
I will never get why people think Elsa is especially selfish. Everything she does is rooted in her desire to protect her family, and especially her sister, from her powers. If she were truly selfish she would have ignored the isolation order years ago. Instead she spends her whole childhood repressing even the most basic human emotions - she won't even let her parents touch her when she's upset. And when she runs off, it's because she knows she can't control her powers, and she's afraid of making everything worse. Does she make good decisions? Maybe not. But they're not selfish desicions.
Ariel is selfish. BUT Ariel does get called out on her actions by her father seeing her becoming a polyp. That's the price Ariel was going to pay for her disobedience. Her father got tricked by Ursula into "offering an exchange." Ariel does pay a stiff price in basically losing her dad to Ursula. She is remorseful, when confronted with her mistakes. Ariel doesn't panic and HIDE from the consequences like Elsa does. Ariel physically tries to battle Ursula before anybody else "jumps in" to save the day.
When is Ariel ever explicitly motivated by concern for other people? When does she ever take anyone else into account when she goes after what she wants, and how often does it stop her? I'm sure she wishes her father hadn’t been caught up in her bargain with Ursula - but where is the open acknowledgement from her that she screwed up? Everything and everyone is secondary to her wants.
Ariel is selfish. BUT Ariel gives up Eric and everything associated with him, when she sees her dad turned into a polyp. Ariel physically goes after Ursula BEFORE Flounder and Sebastian decide to help ( they who are conveniently cowering in a corner), and before Eric shows up ( with a harpoon). Ariel does openly voice concern. She yells, "Daddy!!!" And then, at Ursula, "You monster!" as she grabs Ursula in a choke-hold. Ariel says to Eric, "Eric, you've got to get away from here!" as Ursula swells to enormous size. Eric tells her that he isn't leaving. And the onus is then on Eric. Ariel told him to leave. He chose not to.
Ariel also doubles back and saves Flounder from the shark at the beginning of the film. If Ariel were truly heartless and selfish in the extreme, she wouldn't have tried anything to save him. She would have swum on with her new "Fork" and left Flounder behind.
If Ariel didn't care, and was completely selfish about her risk-taking, she would have let Grimsby eat Sebastian during the dinner scene. Nope. Ariel wasn't heartless and completely looking after her own interests. Ariel motioned to Sebastian to walk over to her plate and hide there. Ariel ate nothing seafood, and only lettuce, during the entire meal, most likely.
You also really need to go back to that scene in TLM right after Triton exits the grotto after destroying everything precious to Ariel. You need to listen to the dialogue between Ariel and Flotsam and Jetsam. You also need to listen to the dialogue Ariel has with Ursula, and look at Ariel's facial expressions all throughout that scene. Ariel looks terrified and confused all the way up until Ursula's blatant demand that she's "on a timeline" and Ariel needs to sign the scroll "immediately." Reviewing those scenes might help you see more of what is going on.
I wish Elsa had gotten a scene where she was shown struggling to overcome, showing her shooting air and partial melting of the ice castle-- or something. I wanted Elsa to be displaying partial autonomy with handling her own mistakes, before shouting "it's love!" out of the blue. Fortunately, Ariel gets more scenes of "action" showing her 180 degree shift in focus right back to her family, and Eric was suddenly a secondary presence. As for Ariel's acknowledgement that she screwed up, Ariel distinctly says to her dad. "Daddy, I'm sorry. I--I didn't mean to--- I-- I didn't KNOW!!" Yeah. That's what you HEAR in the audio track to the movie in that scene. Ariel verbally admits that she is sorry and that she didn't know all of what was in the deal she signed. Ariel gets cut off by Triton firing on Ursula's document. Ursula then gets rude and grabs the conversation thereafter, by asking Triton about making a deal. Ariel does voice an explicit acknowledgement that she made a mistake. Watch that movie again, and listen to the audio track!!!! Further poof that Ariel admits her mistake and that she didn't know? Look at the actual movie script. --> link. You can find the EXACT line that Ariel says, to which I am referring.
So I hate Jennifer Lee for not giving Elsa more agency, and shoving the "answer of it's true love" right into Elsa's lap as it were. Elsa didn't do much "working out of her own mistake," much to my chagrin. Elsa's sister, Anna did more working out of the tough problem, and solved it for Elsa.
"Call off the gathering! [...] We'll expect your declarations of war in the morning!"
She also gives a potion to alter her mother's mind - that was really selfish, even if she was left emotionally shaken by her confrontation with Elinor. And it doesn't stop there: when Elinor is agonizing in bed, she pesters her mother with questions about the marriage. She doesn't worry for her mother and say "Mom, should I call for help?" And even after she sees her mother has turned into a bear, all she can think of is how things went awry for her. Nevermind that she tries to shift away from the blame.
She does get points though, because just before the climax of the movie, during her speech to the clans, she shows she is willing to marry if that means keeping the peace. But I still feel like she commits more selfish acts than any of the other princesses. Oh, and I think that trying to reverse the spell and ensuring Elinor's safety while she is a bear was her responsibility, seeing as she got her mother in that situation in the first place.
(Btw, I'm not hating on Merida. She's not my favorite of the bunch, but I rather like her character)
Unfortunately in my mind she still seems to be selfish after the end. Instead Triton was changed to be selfless. He changed her to be human again and let her go to live with her prince. Her father thinks about her happiness, instead she never think about her family, that obviously feeling sad to see her left.
I don't see why peoples think Merida and Elsa are more selfish than Ariel.
First going to Merida. Okay we all know that she is really selfish. She refuses to getting married, she made her mother furious, she changed her mother to be a bear, etc. But at least she realized her mistake and she was changed to be more better person. She cried and ask an apologize to her mother. She is doing the same thing like Ariel, however she learns from her mistake and tried to be more selfless.
Now with Elsa. I agreed a lot with what UnholyNoise said. She isolated herself and stay away from her parents and sister, she just want to keep them safe from her uncontrolled power. She was afraid if something worse happened with them because her power. And she isolated herself because her parents asked her to do. If she was selfish she would ignored their order and doesn't care if someone may be hurt because her power.
at least Merida learned from her mistakes and fixed the problem she caused to her mother
what did Ariel do aside from complaining and getting exactly what she wanted?
I never really get how easily people ignore that Elinor literally forced a mental decision on Merida and then accuse her of changing Elinor, just because it is out there to see.
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