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posted by Dragonclaws
 Internet humor describing the Edward/Bella relationship as pedophilia
Internet humor describing the Edward/Bella relationship as pedophilia
Among the various criticisms thrown out against Twilight is the allegation that the series promotes pedophilia. This is generally in reference to the relationship between Jacob and Renesmee, but sometimes it refers to the relationship between Edward and Bella because of their significant age differences. I believe that this is a misunderstanding of what mwandishi Stephenie Meyer intended to portray here, which is not true pedophilia, and is not immoral in and of itself.

Pedophilia is a type of paraphilia in which mature adults feel sexual attraction to prepubescent children. This (unhealthy) attraction is pretty much the same as healthy attraction in that it includes infatuation, sexual fantasies, and sexual urges. Pedophiles are not synonymous with child molesters, as child molesters are specifically pedophiles who act on their urges and commit evil as a result. Pedophilia should also not be confused with ephebophilia, which is a paraphila in which mature adults feel sexual attraction to teenagers. In Twilight, the semblance of pedophilia is introduced within the concept of imprinting.

Imprinting is an involuntary biological phenomenon experienced kwa the Quileute mbwa mwitu shapeshifters in which they develop an intense infatuation with their soul mates, and their soul mates likewise become infatuated with them. Age knows no limits in this imprinting business, and Mbwa mwitu loups Jacob and Quil find themselves imprinting with infant children. Imprinting is distinct from pedophilia in that there is no sexual attraction felt kwa the Mbwa mwitu loups when the imprintee is prepubescent, only an intense infatuation that grows into romantic upendo as the imprintee matures. I’ll note again that the attraction is mutual. The case with Quil and his imprintee Claire portrays him as nothing zaidi than an incredibly devoted babysitter who truly cares about making her happy, in contrast to most adults who would only humor her seemingly inane games. The case of Jacob and Renesmee, while similar, is far zaidi complicated kwa Renesmee’s unusual characteristics.

Renesmee is not your normal kid. A vampire-human hybrid, she is enormously intelligent in addition to possessing great physical strength and the ability to project her thoughts into other persons’ heads to communicate telepathically. Unlike most babies, she became self-aware three days before she was born. During this time, she became imprinted with Jacob, and somewhat influenced her mother Bella with her mental powers. So, at the moment of birth she was fully intelligent and able to communicate her desires telepathically, which takes things pretty far away from the model of pedophilia that is justifiably understood as bad. Resemee physically matures at a great speed, her intelligence doesn’t diminish, and is infatuated with Jacob right back. Stephenie Meyer even takes a moment to assert that pedophilia is not what is being portrayed here, albeit in an implicit manner.

Bella: “You think you’ll be part of my family as my son-in-law!”
Jacob: “No! How can wewe even look at it that way? She’s just a baby, for crying out loud!”
Bella: “That’s my point!”
Jacob: “You know I don’t think of her that way! Do wewe think Edward would have let me live this long if I did? All I want is for her to be salama and happy—is that so bad? So different from what wewe want?”
--Breaking Dawn, page 450

Aside from the Jacob/Renesmee relationship, there is the comparison of the Edward/Bella relationship, which is also frequently described as pedophilic. Bella is a physically mature teenager, as is Edward, but their age difference is significant, aliyopewa that Bella looks her age while Edward is over a hundred years old due to his unchanging vampire body. A lot of folks see this as pedophilia, but if anything it’s ephebophilia – attraction to adolescents, not prepubescents. It’s not really the same issue as pedophilia anyway, because there’s no exploitation in the relationship as a result of the age difference (arguably there could be exploitation elsewhere, but that’s a different subject). wewe could argue it’s statutory rape, but I’ve got issues with that law in general for assigning an arbitrary age to the ability to consent, denying legitimate individuals the agency to conduct their lives as they see fit. Bella is seventeen and on the upside of that restriction, anyway.

Is it strange? Yes… As someone I read somewhere noted, it would be seen as crazy and repugnant for a teenager to tarehe someone’s aged grandfather, and Edward’s true age makes him similar to such. The main difference is that Wanyonya damu are immortal. If they’re going to live forever and humans aren’t, then eventually all of humanity would be way too young for them kwa general standards. We like to think of age as making us better, but the facts are that when we reach a certain age our intelligences and physical beings begin to diminish, so a hundred-year-old vampire cannot have a good romance with a hundred-year-old human. They would have to tarehe someone several decades younger than themselves to have a satisfactory relationship. It would still probably be seen as zaidi acceptable to have the human be middle-aged au around there because it is seen as a good thing for people to tarehe closer to their age group, but I think of that as unfound ageist prejudices. If they are both mentally mature and consenting, I’ve got no problem with it.

In the criticism of Twilight’s atypical ages in the series’ relationships, I often see moral outrage with little explanation of why what’s being described is bad. The usual is something like “Jacob is a pedophile. That’s bad! wewe like that? You’re bad too!” Even questioning if it really is bad is seen as horrible because it so obviously is bad to the person uandishi the criticism. I’d like to challenge that.

I think pedophilia in and of itself is not good, but not explicitly bad just so long as the pedophiles don’t act on it. Quoth Dumbledore (Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, page 333), “It is our choices… that onyesha what we truly are, far zaidi than our abilities.” I think child molesters are bad because what they do is rape. Here in the real world, young children are unable to give consent because they lack experience and understanding, and are exploited because of the authority of the adult child molester. This is bad… because of the rape aspect.

Twilight’s imprinting is not the same. For one thing, it’s not pedophilia. For another, there is no rape involved, only devotion. As Jacob describes Quil’s experience via their mental link (Eclipse, page 176), “There’s nothing romantic about it at all… It’s zaidi like . . . gravity moves. When wewe see her, suddenly it’s not the earth holding wewe here anymore. She does. And nothing matters zaidi than her. And wewe would do anything for her, be anything for her.” When the imprintee ages, romance naturally develops because the two personalities fit together zaidi than anyone else in the world, actually being soul mates. Again, the attraction is mutual, so that stuff Jacob describes from Quil’s perspective is basically how Claire feels right back at Quil. Imprinting is not pedophilia, so the usual concerns about pedophilia cannot be used.

I’ll take it a step farther and suggest that even if Jacob were a pedophile, which he’s not, it wouldn’t necessarily be bad because of Renesmee’s intelligence and probable ability to consent at an earlier age than most people. I’ll note that I do not advocate literal pedophiliac acts in the real world (that’s rape), but in specific fictional situations the circumstances are different enough to revise our models of the ability to consent. I’ll bring up two other works of fiction to make my point: an episode of Star Trek, and the movie The Curious Case of Benjamin Button (I didn’t read the story it was based on, so note that this is strictly the movie version).

In the Star Trek: The inayofuata Generation episode “Rascals”, a mysterious transporter accident (those things are responsible for the wackiest plotlines) transforms crew members Picard, Guinan, Ro Laren, and Keiko O’Brien into their twelve-year-old selves. No one reacts to the regressed folks the same way as before the accident, and are inclined to treat them like normal children, notably with the bridge crew regarding themselves as superior to their captain because of his physical body looking like a boy. After a hard day, Keiko acts the way she usually does with her husband – romantically and intimately. He freaks out and flees, unable to reconcile the fact that his wife has regressed physically but is otherwise the same person. Instead of the doctor trying to find a way to reproduce this miracle, a cure is found; the original actors take their parts back; Picard misses his hair; the end.

In The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Benjamin Button is a boy, er, man, er, male character that was born with the physical body of an old man in baby-size, who grew up into a short old man. As he aged, his body physically regressed. This leads to a couple strange scenes where we have interaction between two characters that seem to have a giant age difference but do not. In the first, Benjamin is physically an old man interacting with six-year-old daisy in an intimate childhood way. One must remind themselves that Benjamin is really a little boy. Likewise, when both are old and Benjamin looks like a young boy, their physical romance looks really strange, but they are both adults despite how Benjamin may appear.

I will propose that physical appearance need not be the determining factor, but rather mental state. In the (curious) cases of Keiko O’Brien and Benjamin Button, we have adults occupying the bodies of children. If (other) adults should engage in sexual relationships with them, I don’t think it’s any different from the same scenario where everyone has the usual body. If they were to have sexual relations with pedophiles, in the context of this bizarre fictional circumstance that could never occur in the real world, I think it would be all right au at least as potentially so as any other affair between consenting adults.

In Twilight, Renesmee is not an adult in the body of a child as are the other examples, but she is highly intelligent. As she physically matures super fast and is in possession of such a powerful intellect, the normal age limits that apply to the grand majority needn’t apply to her. Should she become sexually inclined while still physically a child (it happens), I don’t think it would necessarily be the same sort of issue aliyopewa the strange fictional circumstances that give her the intellect of someone much older on average. I don’t know, I guess it may depend on the exact nature of the situation. Anyway, Jacob isn’t a pedophile, so this doesn’t even need to be discussed in relation to the story written kwa Stephenie Meyer.

In conclusion, Twilight does not depict pedophilia, and anyone who thinks so has misunderstood what Stephenie Meyer wrote. The imprinting phenomenon is not sexual in nature when the object of such is a child, making it an intense platonic friendship that develops into romance with age, and most importantly the connection is felt kwa both parties. The attraction between Edward and Bella is not based in pedophilia, the word itself misused kwa people who don’t have a clear concept of what it is other than illegal on which to act. Although certainly very strange, none of the relationships in Twilight have the properties of pedophilia au child molestation. I suspect most people who object to the weird-ages relationships either didn’t read very carefully au heard from their Marafiki who didn’t read very carefully. Everyone, please note that within the ndoto genre circumstances can arise that have no real world equivalent simply because it’s zaidi of an intriguing product of one’s imagination than a serious commentary on reality.
posted by genyva
ok well i have this typed out on the meza, jedwali of contents as chapter 7 but it 6 so yeh enjoy



6. No-Where To Run
Renesmee’s point of view
I cant deal any zaidi she’s driving me crazy they are all driving me crazy .I hope this will all end soon I don't want to be her any zaidi I need something new to do. No zaidi lying around moping.
Well I'm not really moping I'm just so bored and lifeless. Maybe I can go out of town. Well, so they don't get upset, I’ll take Claire. Just stay out for a couple of nights in the city. I upendo Seattle. Its so much fun maybe I can go on a little shopping spree get...
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posted by Bella_Swan3
-Emmett-

If there was one thing I could wish entirely off the face of the earth, it would be ribbons.

I tell you, I dunno how Alice fit so many of the goddamn things into one single freaking wedding. Another mystery of life: Alice.

Hearing this, Edward began laughing so hard I was sure he'd bust a rib au something, if it were possible.

Rosalie was never exactly Jake's biggest fan, but since the happy couple got engaged, she mainly just pointedly ignores him. I dunno why, but somehow, I get the impression that all girls are like sisters who get all weird whenever one of their number gets married....
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posted by _madz_
here is the long awaited chapter 17!!!
im so sorry it took so long, i have had sooo much work, but i didn't want to rush it. i really hope wewe enjoy it, please comment!


“Maybe,” she alisema after a sekunde of thought. “If wewe tell me.”
I tried to decide the best way to describe what I was doing. I didn’t really want to give her too many details.
“I was...” I weighed the word before I spoke it. “Hunting.” The word seemed appropriate.
I hoped she would leave it at that, but at the same time I knew she wouldn’t.
“Is that the best wewe can do?” she demanded critically. “That definitely...
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Chapter 25: All the Kings farasi and All the Kings Men
I was panicking I knew that something was not right. Jake and I continued dancing for a couple of songs after Sienna left for the bathroom. She is not the type of girl to take forever in the bathroom applying make up, so I was suspicious. Jake, Seth and I went into the hallway. “Sienna?” I called as I stepped into the empty bathroom. I went back into the hallway, “She isn’t in there, “I told Jake anxiously. “Alright, calm down maybe she just stepped outside to get some air it’s stuffy in here.” All of a sudden Seth, who was...
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Like i mentioned before, this story will continue in Bella's past, who she was when she was younger. And again sorry for mistakes

Bella's pov

“I thought wewe would be in the kuoga kwa now” he alisema while I closed the jewellery box.
“I’m heading there now, don’t rush me” I alisema with a laugh and he laughed too
“We both got in the kuoga and I asked him what he alisema to Jake”
“Not much, just that if I ever found out that Renesmee is on that bike, riding au not” that he wishes he never met me” he alisema laughing but still had that serious tone in it.
I couldn’t resist but laugh,
“I...
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This one is a short one and so will part 8 but the i'll try to make the rest a little longer :D

Bella's pov

Edward carried me to the car while my head was laying on his chest, he put me on my kiti, kiti cha and he was trying to get the seatbelt around me.
“Edward, stop it “ I sort of screamed at him “ I can do that myself wewe now” still looking at him.
“alright, he alisema back and walked around the car and is just a few sekunde he was sitting inayofuata to me in the car.
“What’s wrong” I asked him while he started the car. “ I want to help wewe but … and I interrupted him “but you’re getting...
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posted by Twilight597
My name is Hayley Williams and I'm in a band called Paramore. There are four other people in our band,Josh and Zac Farro, Jeremy Davis, and last but not least Taylor York. We are waiting in Jeremy's living room waiting for a conformation to play in Italy. We were going to play privately for a very royal family, like kings au queens. I think there names were Aro, Caius, Marcus, and all of there 'guard'. I was so anxious for the call, in fact we all were. i was practically jumping in my seat.Suddenly my phone started ringing and i screamed and reached into my pocket to get it.
Pictures of the cast and set are appearing. The anticipation is growing. And the mashabiki are speculating.

Alot of the mashabiki are also wondering how they are going to play out Bella's hallucinations of Edward. There are many ways they can do that.

When she is in Port Angeles, she goes near a bar. This is the first time she hears Edward's voice since his departure. They could possibly do a voice-over. And same with the bike incident. I think a voice-over would be best.
But, for the cliff diving, I think it would be really awesome and zaidi emotional if he appeared in physical form.

Bella, at the...
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I stared at my reflection in the huge gilt mirror - flawless perfection - as it has been, always. I used to revel in my own - gloriousness(?), perfection. I always thought, always believed, this beauty - that I was blessed and cursed with - could give me everything I could possibly wish for. Until Fate proved me wrong, so wrong. I sighed and turned around to face him.

"Is that your new hobby, Edward? Lurk in corners?" I asked haughtily. Edward, arrogant and perfect, stood in a corner.

"I apologize for the intrusion, Rosalie - for lurking as wewe put it. I wanted to play the piano. Nevermind, I'll...
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posted by twilight-7
I know this is short but I didn't have a lot of time. I had stuff to do but wewe don't want to hear about it. I will write a longer part for Chapter 26. Enjoy! (And just something else, I appreciate and value all of wewe maoni and opinions but please don't say wewe hate my fictional characters. They don't like it and neither do I. Thank you!)


I threw my arms around his neck and kissed his snowy lips. He wrapped his arms around my waist and picked me up and kissed me back. The passion that was behind that kissed only proved to me zaidi that he loved me. I couldn’t believe that I had doubted...
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posted by mwalsh
hope wewe like it please comment


chapter two
(girl's pov)


i opened my eye's and looked around the room there were eleven people looking at me, they were all standing at the door except one he was holding my hand and then suddenly i remember my Angel seth who saved me. i looked around the room at all there faces and paused at seths i just stared into his beautiful eye's, someone cleared there throat while a girl giggled. seth laughed and tightened his grip on my hand, i turned my eye's back to the other ten people in the room the leader steped mbele he had blonde hair and he was extreamly beautiful...
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posted by dinosteph
So, I had a really hard time uandishi this chapter, I know it's not that good, which is due to the fact that I didn't want to write it. I hit backspace way too many times. I guess I didn't want this to happen to Edward and Bella, its like when I was kusoma New Moon, I didn't want to keep reading, cause it made it zaidi true.
So after an saa and a half, this is what I came up with...



Silence has never hurt me so much. Neither one of them alisema anything. I could imagine Alice was doing all the talking, explaining, trying to make Edward understand, to see the futures that laid out before all of...
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Indigo has issued a press release stating their figures indicate that this mwaka Stephenie Meyers' Twilight series did zaidi sales than J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter series did last year, which included the final Potter book. Good timing for Twilight, of course, as the movie opens tomorrow. Haven't read the books? Don't fret, "Canada’s Twilight Saga headquarters" surely has plenty of copies left.

For more, read Mark's story (and interview with Meyers) on the occasion of the release of Breaking Dawn, the fourth and "final" book in the Twilight series.

Here is the full Indigo press release:

Young...
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posted by vampiress015
Seth has justed pasted this on Stephanie's site:
link

October 16, 2008

I just received the following announcement from Elizabeth:

"Exclusive Twilight Listening Parties at Hot Topic stores:

Be one of the first people to hear the entire Twilight soundtrack (in-stores November 4th). Hot Topic will be hosting exclusive listening parties at all of their locations on Friday, October 24th at 7pm. They'll be playing every song, including the previously unreleased songs from Paramore, Rob Pattinson, Perry Farrell and Mutemath, PLUS hear the unveiling of "Bella's Lullaby".

Hot juu is also offering 10% off...
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So, the past week had been filled with Twilight pictures. Everyday we got at least 2 amazing pictures. Well, now that the Twilight Illistrated Movie Companion is out, there are scans of pictures from the movie in the book on the internet.

And someone from LiveJournal really caught my eye... in a bad way. This particular person is saying stuff like "**** Summit" au "**** Twilight Illustrated Movie Companion". What I don't get is... Why do they choose to look at the pictures?! The person who ilitumwa these pictures warned that they would be spoilers, and announced not click the link if they didn't want to see them.

Those who want to be surprised kwa the movie, that's fine. But they shouldn't go around cussin Summit au Stephenie Meyer au any other fansite because they chose to view them.
"So you're tellin' me that this girl kills vampires?" Paul alisema in astonishment.
"She isn't the only girl capable of doing it!" Leah growled.
"Take it easy Leah, Paul didn't mean any harm." Sam tried to calm his ex down.
"Sexist pig."Leah mutterd. Ignoring her, Edward spoke up.
"I told Bella and Esme what was going on, and Bella wants to know what she can do to help." he alisema with a certain desperation in his tone.
"Good, bring her over here Jake." Sam commanded his second-in-command. Jacob was almost as supportive as this plan as Edward was.
"Bella, come on." he alisema in such a sad voice....
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posted by yesitsLorLor
Twilight: Fiction au Friction?

We call this story fiction, but is it creating zaidi then that?

Wow.

Since when did a book create so much controversy?
Am I the only sane person who has read Twilight? For example, the web sites dedicated to hating Twilight is absolutely childish, now I am no professional on crap, but I assure you, making hate-websites is the most pathetic attempt I have yet to see. Don't they have anything better to do? Honestly, how much zaidi of a infant can they be? For the most part I find it completely humorous that people who hate Twilight would spend hours dedicating time toward...
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What would happen if Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and the gang went to Forks? Well I imagine it might go something like this. . .

"Oh come on Giles, wewe can't be serious." Buffy moaned.
"I kind of like it here." Spike mentioned.
"Shut up Spike." Buffy said.
"Well I'm just sayin' pet, this place is perfect. Almost always no sun, and that means no bursting into flame. Which is a plus if wewe ask me love."
"Lord, Spike nobody cares." Buffy started. "You can songesha here for all we care."
"If wewe two are going to behave like children the whole time we are here, then I'll send wewe both back to Sunnydale."...
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yea i made the title to be something a little less opinionated, and zaidi open to other peoples opinon. so if wewe agree, say why, and if not, give some examples of her good side! all i did was her bad side cuz thats my opinion. :)

These are from the first chapter of Eclipse.

pg. 14-Charlie to Bella"You're hurting Jake's feelings, avoiding him like this."
response: HOLY CRAP listen to your father Bella!!! wewe have got a serious problem, and wewe are hurting poor Jake in the process! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?!?!?!?!? GET..A..LIFE, and leave Jacob out of it

pg. 17-in Bella's mind"I wrenched the door out...
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Well I tried to post this in the link section but it just didnt work so I figured that I would put it here...

Here is a link to a Twilight/New Moon extra- Being Jacob Black....

It is the story of Jacob from when we meet him first in Twilight until the end of New Moon. It is interesting.


link