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Should all "atheists" be punished in "hell" even though they are nice & very good people (like they do a lot of charities, good works, helping people who have poor conditions and maybe saving people's lives)

 dadadas posted zaidi ya mwaka mmoja uliopita
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coriann said:
as a former Christian, im not in a position to say yes au no to this swali and i respect that. I can give wewe some view points i used to have when i was one, and yes, basically,
so if i was God back then i would have basically just sent myself to hell XD because i believed that anyone who refused to believe in God....the Christian God, would be subject to eternal damnation.
Now let's go back to the new testament shall we? When God talks about his upendo in John
"for god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. For God sent not his son into the world not to condemn the world but that the world through him should be saved"

Jesus talks about upendo and he talks about the gentiles, if it wasn't for Jesus only the jews would be able to be saved and he aslo says judge not and wewe shall not be judged and I think Jesus put an ease on some of the strict laws of the old testament.

Now ofcourse all of this means nothing...however, there's this one part that could mean otherwise, a part that i really wish i could find on Google right now! But he says that those who know will be judged kwa what they know and those who don't know will be judged kwa what they don't know...now, i think this could mean that if someone genuinely doesn't know that Jesus is God, au that there is a God then they may not have to be judged for it

He also says that if wewe have the word of God written in your heart, which i think means if wewe have a loving moyo and a good moral compass, that wewe don't need to know the word. im sorry, i wish i could have spent zaidi time digging for the chanzo of these things im saying.

But my point is...maybe, if wewe have a good moyo wewe don't need to believe, because how can not believing in something possibly be a sin? What about people who come from places where Christianity doesn't exist? Should we condemn them to hell too? It's complicated but there's hope that maybe God won't do that.
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tiagih said:
Simple answer is Yes, but also note that ALL people deserve hell, but because of Christ blood is why we are saved. wewe must accept Christ to achieve eternal life, those who don't believe that Christ is the Savior won't make it to heaven, no matter how "good" of a person they are.
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Now, i've known enough about Christianiy and why people to jiunge the religion ...
dadadas posted zaidi ya mwaka mmoja uliopita
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what about babies, they don't know anything about religion and who jesus is, what about people who live in countries where the christian religion is not taught? why should a good kind loving caring person, who does everything he au she can to help his/her neighbour have to burn in eternal moto for all eternity just because they didn't know something was real au they didn't believe something was real? a person can kill millions of people and genuinly be sorry and go to heaven, but someone who lives in the desert of africa who has a good moyo but don't have access to the christian god will burn with extreme agony and pain for millions and millions of years for all eternity? what about little children who live in atheist countries like china? will there be hundreds of little children ages 5-6 au 10 au 11 au 13 burn for all eternity? and if wewe do believe this, please tell me what's the reason?
coriann posted zaidi ya mwaka mmoja uliopita
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what's the reason for an innocent person full of upendo and compassion to burn in hell because they don't believe something? what are they supposed to do if they just don't believe au no one has ever showed them au told them about the christiand god? the bible says if the word of god is written in your hearts wewe shall be saved, god is love, and if wewe have upendo in your hearts it should be good enough, because i don't know what wewe expect these people to do
coriann posted zaidi ya mwaka mmoja uliopita
monkeyrockla said:
Im atheist my self, so it all matters who wewe ask.
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Maybe that is why he asked 'here'... on the "Christianity" club?
Sinna_Hime_chan posted zaidi ya mwaka mmoja uliopita
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Yes, people's ideas of truth differ... waiver, change, ebb & flow. Fortunately God is not like that.
Sinna_Hime_chan posted zaidi ya mwaka mmoja uliopita
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ahahahaha, yeah monkeyrock, im an atheist too, and i sure don't want to go to hell! :D
coriann posted zaidi ya mwaka mmoja uliopita
Sinna_Hime_chan said:
Well~ it isn't about good works. It's about faith * it's a gift.

It's not like we can buy our way into Heaven.
Good deeds/good works are their own reward. Doing what is right BECAUSE it is right does not have to have anything to do with God, (as I know plenty of nice agnostics and those of some other non-Christain religions).

The Bible says that works without faith is dead, and faith without works is dead. This means we can give with a good intention and an open heart, sure, but we aren't giving with faith - it does not produce the same thing. It may help save a life even, but it may not help a "soul."
Likewise a Christian who hoards their faith and never gives au reaches out - who has faith in their moyo but produces nothing with it is barren and lifeless of fruit.
We can have faith and put it into our deeds- in all things.

It is about faith in believeing in God au not.
He created us and this world, then I think He can do what he wants & He gave us freedom to choose. The choice is ours. Really, it would be "self" condemnation then.
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 Well~ it isn't about good works. It's about faith * it's a gift. It's not like we can buy our way into Heaven. Good deeds/good works are their own reward. Doing what is right BECAUSE it is right does not have to have anything to do with God, (as I know plenty of nice agnostics and those of some other non-Christain religions). The Bible says that works without faith is dead, and faith without works is dead. This means we can give with a good intention and an open heart, sure, but we aren't giving with faith - it does not produce the same thing. It may help save a life even, but it may not help a "soul." Likewise a Christian who hoards their faith and never gives au reaches out - who has faith in their moyo but produces nothing with it is barren and lifeless of fruit. We can have faith and put it into our deeds- in all things. It is about faith in believeing in God au not. He created us and this world, then I think He can do what he wants & He gave us freedom to choose. The choice is ours. Really, it would be "self" condemnation then.
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so, is that a yes au a no?
coriann posted zaidi ya mwaka mmoja uliopita
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wewe do need both good works AND faith in order to enter the gates. There are plenty of passages in the Bible that state that wewe cannot get into Heaven on faith alone, either. I know wewe state that, but wewe seem to stress faith over works. They are equally important.
Cinders posted zaidi ya mwaka mmoja uliopita
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sometimes people do good things not because god tells them to, and not because they are trying to please god "buy their way into heaven" au because they are afraid of god, sometimes people do good things because they are good people with a good moyo and they really just care, not everyone does good things to please good, we do it because we are good people and i think that's the most noble thing anybody can do, and no it's not "self condemnation" no one here is trying to condemn themselves to hell look around, if we atheists knew we were going to hell we wouldn't even be atheists in the first place, we're atheists cause we really truly don't believe, someone can't just hide behind a corner, write a book and then expect everyone to believe in them, because wewe have to look at the facts, doubting thomas, he was a good man, doubt is good, skepticism is good, that's how we deal with crime, fraud, theft, liars, bogus goods and services, being skeptic isn't a sin it's a survival tactic and any god who would send a good person to hell is not one worth believing in
coriann posted zaidi ya mwaka mmoja uliopita
livetobefree said:
It's better to act like Jesus then claim u believe in him so I'm gonna say no
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agreed :) i think it's zaidi about what's in your moyo because no everyone has physical access to the word au to christianity, some people never heard anything about it
coriann posted zaidi ya mwaka mmoja uliopita
MineTurtle said:
"For it is kwa grace wewe have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God" Ephesians 2:8 (NIV)

God saves us kwa grace, not works.
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wewe can have grace and not be a christian, wewe can have God's upendo in your moyo and not be a christians, personally my beliefs
coriann posted zaidi ya mwaka mmoja uliopita
natalierg said:
In the end, it's up to God. Hopefully they will find Him and His Son before that, though. I believe it's the moyo that matters most.
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MineTurtle5 said:
Well, I'm not God, but we all know that God is a God of second, third, fourth etc. chances. If they still reject Him, I don't really know what would happen. I mean, I firmly believe that God is a God of last chances, and I think He's zaidi concerned about what we do, not what we believe.
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LinkKinuzuma13 said:
If they remain "atheist" until the moment they die, then unfortunately they will go to hell. God saves us through his grace. The fact that his son died for them must be accepted in order for them to achieve salvation. It doesn't matter who wewe are au what kinds of things wewe do in your life - if wewe don't believe that Jesus died for your sins, then wewe will be denied eternal life in heaven.

But this doesn't mean that God hates them - not in the slightest! Gods upendo is boundless and unconditional. If wewe killed someone, if you're a homosexual, if wewe commit fraud au theft, if wewe commit adultery, he still loves wewe and will forgive your sins if wewe ask to be forgiven.

They can only be saved through their own upendo of Christ and what he did for them, the knowledge and acceptance of God's grace and Jesus' upendo is what would set them free, not good deeds.
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wewe can have grace and a good moyo and God's upendo without believing, i may not be a christian, but i have many christians around me, i live in a part of the world where there are many different cultures and religions, and we all have to learn to live with each other, we have leaned not to be hostile to each other and to respect each other's beliefs, yes, christians still try to evangelize, but most people here that i know, believe in what's in you're heart, they believe god's upendo can reside within wewe even if wewe are not christian
coriann posted zaidi ya mwaka mmoja uliopita
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To be honest, I've never heard someone tell it me like this before. But it's good that wewe still have the grace of God within you.
LinkKinuzuma13 posted zaidi ya mwaka mmoja uliopita
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But wewe also alisema wewe don't believe. I'm not going to elaborate zaidi on what that actually means, but I will pray for wewe because wewe seem like a nice person and have God's grace in your heart.
LinkKinuzuma13 posted zaidi ya mwaka mmoja uliopita
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im sorry, but wewe absolutely cant. good deed alone wont get wewe into heaven. wewe also need to have faith, and true beliefe in the lord.
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loveofdelena said:
not at all. its not for us to decide their fate. they believe what they believe in. and somewhere deep inside, they must believe in god, otherwise they would never have put his good works into practice.
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Why can't we do good works solely for their own sake? Purely to help others instead of an attempt to please God au because wewe fear some sort of retribution? This is just a variation of the "only religious people can have morals" argument, which has always been not just misguided but blatantly untrue. Good deeds for the wellbeing of others instead of the wellbeing of one's "afterlife" is true altruism, and belief in god has no bearing on it.
ThePrincesTale posted zaidi ya mwaka mmoja uliopita
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where do wewe think the want and the need to do good works comes from?? from us? i dont think so.
loveofdelena posted zaidi ya mwaka mmoja uliopita
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wewe don't sound judgemental at all, thanks for your perspective :) I try not to sound antagonistic either- I think this spot's one of the best for sharing opinions in a respectful manner, so kudos to wewe and all its members :)
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