Well that's what I think about her.

It makes me so annoyed. If you're treated so bad with other peoples, all you can do just quiet and cry? No way! I'll be angry if I was in her position. (it probably because I'm kinda hot-head one)

^^ The live action one is more of an opposite trait of her.

Honestly, none of these traits about her bother me. Her adjusting to whatever life gives her is admirable, in my opinion. Day dreaming and being naive is something I share with her so I guess I can't really be unbiased about those, and not standing up against her abusive family... well, speaking as someone who does have a bit of an abusive family, it's not easy. It's not easy at all.
So yeah, none :)

^exactly sparklefairy! It makes me annoyed...how can you let someone treat you badly, n just sit and cry about, don;t even try to bring the change. Nothing is easy, XxXrachellXxX, esp to fight for you rights. But you can't just let evil people do whatever they want. I can understand the apprehension of consequences, but i think one should rather face consequences than to face ill-treatment of people.

i pick no one, cinderella was abudes since she was a child and if she stand or some way she´ll most likely get kicked out of the house, i don't find her naive at all , day-dream helped her to don't fall into depression and ajusting yourself is not really bad,is better than mourn all the time

^how about being playing more active role than to just let your life lead you. I, would have gone into a forest instead and build a cottage by myself and with my animal friends, a loyal dog to protect me. Could have been much better life

None of these are bad. how can daydreaming ever be considered a flaw? she isn't naive either, especially next to someone like Snow White. I only dislike that she doesn't yell her head off when she gets locked away. I don't mind her temper though, because she's good at hiding it.

also, why are we blaming the victim instead of the abusers? you don't "let" anyone abuse you.

I only really love hr when she shows she is a human by getting mad at the clock and Lucifer and going to the ball anyway but otherwise she's just too perfect. Adaptability and daydreaming are not bad and naivety can sometimes be bad but I don't think she's that naive. She seems weak to me though, she doesn't stand up for anything or speak her mind or anything, she just cries and does what they tell her to do and I don't admire that in anyone. She doesn't even try to get help when she's trapped by Tremaine, the one in the new film is smarter and spunkier, the original was nice but kind of weak and not very proactive. She's my least favorite princess. Maybe I just having a stronger, more direct personality but I would have said and done something, I would have fought back, that's why I like every other princess more because most of them go after there dreams or fight back when things aren't how they like, they change their futures. Cinderella just goes with the flow and seems like she's ready to serve them until the day she dies. I don't like that at all.

Slightly annoying

Honestly none of these. Obviously, she's not perfect, but none of these particular traits bother me.

I pick none of these. It's ridiculous to expect her to "stand up against an abusive family" unless you really wanted her to just go be homeless and subject herself to any crimes that could occur out in the street. I seriously fail to see how "day dreaming" is a flaw. The idea that adjusting to life or adapting to a hard situation would be a negative trait is astonishing to me. I fail to see how Cinderella is naïve. She didn't even believe the Fairy Godmother was real at first. She was innocent and it was sweet. She is a perfect role model for young girls and I don't agree that "flaws" make a person better in any way, shape or form. I've been around many flawed people and they create a lot of problems and dissention.

^ Everyone is flawed, I've yet to meet, see, or here of a perfect person so flawed characters are more realistic, relatable, and interesting to most people than characters that are seemingly perfect. She's a good role model but I don't think she's a perfect role model because she teaches girls to be perfect and that is never going to happen in real life, flaws make life more interesting anyway. Flawed characters are not necessarily better but I think almost every good character is flawed and I do think that Cinderella not doing anything at all is a flaw that she has but I don't like it.

^Just because people are flawed doesn't mean you should aspire to have flaws. That's my point. Role models have nothing to do with being perfect, it's about what you aspire to be. If you're always trying to better yourself then you don't hail flaws as some sort of positive thing.

And Cinderella didn't do nothing at all, she handled herself with grace and poise and didn't let it ruin her spirit. That is doing something in my eyes. I grew up in abusive situations so let me tell you from firsthand experience: The more you rebel, in any shape or form, the harsher the punishments become when it is all said and done. If she did run away, most likely the police would've picked her up and returned her to the estate where she would've been punished harshly for running away and causing a scene as well as putting their name in the gossip circles in a negative way.

Day dreaming: There's a popular saying "Stop day-dreaming and get to work" People who tend to indulge in their fantasies and dreams while leaving work are called day-dreamers. So basically, they are wasting time in doing nothing fruitful and just wishing/hoping that somehow their dreams will come true. Its not bad to hope or to wish, it is bad, though, to indulge in it.
Remember rapunzel working and keeping herself occupied in various activities than just dreaming about her life. Sure, she spends a minute or two in peeking out the window.
While Aurora spends her entire day, forgets where she is, why had she come, who she was with in her day-dreaming state. Cinderella is less of a day-dreamer: she was just indulging in her own private time, which is fine with me, may not be fine with others. But yes, she does indulges at length unless someone/something external brings them back.
And it was her day-dreaming that got her in trouble and getting locked in the tower. She could have paid a heavy price for her day-dreaming.

@laylastepford:
If we are to consider her times and her situation, she could have gone to forest and build her own cottage with her animal friends, maybe like Snow. I don't think anyone would have forced her to live with her stepmother. That's called taking action.
Not letting abuse to your spirit is a great quality but till the time you are working on getting out of that situation. If you are going to stay stuck there and not do anything about it, you are delusional to think everything will become good by its own. You also show that you are dependent on someone to rescue you.
Now, going to a ball, despite the fact her family didn't want it was definitely "doing something for yourself"
I understand its difficult to get out of it, but its far better, imo, to face consequences and die trying than to adjust with it. I admire that in rapunzel when she's handcuffed and being taken captive, perhaps underground where no one will ever find her but she says "she'll never stop fighting. not even for one moment of her life." I admire that a great deal more that to just tolerate it. But that's me, everyone handles ill-treatment in their own ways, best suited to them

She's very much naive: thinking that her abusive family would take her along in social gathering when they don''t even let you sleep and eat at the same place as theirs. Only a naive person would expect someone from their abuser to be kind and appreciative of her help throughout the day.

anukriti2409: Definition for daydream "pleasant thoughts about your life or future that you have while you are awake" or "a pleasant visionary usually wishful creation of the imagination" (link) I don't see anything about "while working" in the definition at all. Where in the movie does Cinderella get absolutely nothing done because she is just standing or sitting and daydreaming without getting anything done?

Aurora didn't forget where she was or who she was with in her day-dreaming state. She certainly didn't forget why she was out, she picked the berries before she started daydreaming and anyways she knew it was all a ruse to get her out of the house for a while.

It was not Cinderella's daydreaming that got her locked in the tower. She was told that the Prince was in love with her, yes that was a lot to take in and she daydreamed a little but that has nothing to do with getting locked in the tower. She was locked in the tower because Lady Tremaine is a horrible abusive and jealous woman who wanted to see Cinderella fail.

Google definition of day dreaming: daydream
ˈdeɪdriːm/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: day-dreaming
indulge in a daydream.
"stop daydreaming and pay attention"
synonyms: dream, muse, be lost in thought, be in a brown study, stare into space, hallucinate;

Cinderella day-dreams about her dream with her animal friends before clock start ringing.
She was not attentive to Lady Tremaine noticing her dreamy walk - coz of day-dreaming and lost focus and she was dreaming in front of her mirror when Lady Tremaine ( no doubt, abusive, jealous, horrible person) quietly comes up the stairs and locks her in.

Aurora: She suddenly wakes up from her day-dreaming state from Philip's shoulder and hurry to get back to cottage. I agree she would have an inkling that it was a ruse only to get her out of cottage, but she nonetheless indulges in dreaming

anukriti2409: The definition you gave also says noting about it occurring "while working" so I don't understand why you are reposting another definition of it? The example is one that just so happens to be a negative example of daydreaming but that is not indicative of daydreaming itself.

Are you talking about when Cinderella wakes up before everyone else? She didn't have to be awake yet, she woke up naturally a bit earlier and was talking about the dream she had just had while she was sleeping.

Again, I already said that Cinderella was daydreaming a bit going upstairs after finding out the prince loved her but that still has nothing to do with the fault of getting locked in the tower. Lady Tremaine was going to lock her up regardless of whether or not she started daydreaming because she didn't want her to have a chance at fitting the glass slipper over her daughters. So again, the two incidents are not related. Lady Tremaine locked her up for her own reasons that had nothing to do with Cinderella daydreaming.

Aurora: How did that make her forget where she was or who she was with? She simply lost track of time and that's all. She absolutely knew it was a ruse, it was super obvious and she gave them a sly smile because she was nice and played it off. Again, daydreaming isn't a fault and it wasn't stopping her from succeeding in anything.

^ Yes, role models are what you aspire to be but as hard as you try you can't aspire to be like someone who is perfect so it's sort of an unrealistic aspiration. In my eyes, characters with flaws are not there to say that flaws are good but that they are normal, they make you human, and you can overcome them and deal with them to get what you want.

All real-life role models have flaws and that's fine, we understand they are human and focus on their good actions and traits so a character with flaws but who overcomes adversity is more like a real person. Flaws aren't positive but they aren't all that bad sometimes either, yes we should try to better ourselves and Cinderella does teach us some good things but we can't expect that we will ever become exactly like her and become flawless because no one as ever heard of a truly flawless person, some people aspire so much to getting rid of their flaws that that in fact becomes their big flaw.

Yes, I understand that abusive situations can be very difficult but if it hadn't been for the Fairy Godmother and the mice she would have never escaped that life, she would never have tried, so it's telling people "just deal with the abusive situation until you die, or they kill you, whenever that may be". She doesn't do anything to better her situation and relies completely on others to make her dream come true. There have been many people who have escaped abusive situations and they did not do so, in most cases from what I see, by just staying there forever and waiting for the abuser to die or get caught which might not happen in their lifetime.

^So basically your philosophy is "I'll never be perfect so I shouldn't even aspire for it because the worst that will happen is I become a nearly-perfect person who will just be disappointed that I'm not totally perfect?" I disagree 100%. If you feel like giving up on personal improvement is the way to go then that is your choice. I don't. I believe in always striving towards "perfection" in the sense of being a better person and nothing you say is going to make me stop wanting to be a better person or stop valuing positive role models for children. Sorry. In my eyes, the characters don't embrace their flaws and say things like "I'm flawed so that makes me a real person!" In my eyes, the characters work on their flaws because they don't embrace them, they strive to better themselves.

Like I said, I don't agree with you embracing flaws as "not a bad thing". Flaws are meant to be worked on to better yourself and you don't need to fix something that isn't bad so that doesn't even make sense to me. It's not about the destination, it's about the journey. It doesn't matter if you end up perfect, what matters is that you never stop trying to be a perfect person and work on your flaws to better yourself. If you don't feel the same about yourself then that is your difference of opinion. I guess I just have more faith in the human race.

That's right, if it hadn't have been for the fairy godmother and the mice then she would've never escaped her life because she didn't have a choice. When people mature, one thing they learn is that "the world isn't always fair" and "it's not what happens in life, it's how you deal with it." Cinderella got stuck with a very bad hand of cards and I understand you and others might not be history buffs like me but you need to realize that there wasn't anything she could've done to make it better and it's absolutely ridiculous of you to fault her for this. Do you also fault the women in Africa for getting raped? There was absolutely nothing that Cinderella could have done to make her situation better except exactly what she did, not make it any worse than it had to be. Not everyone is fortunate enough to be born with the option to change their life (especially historically) and it's astonishing that anyone could fault them for it when it's not their fault at all.

^ Whoa, I think we've missed something in communication because I agree with what you say, I actually think the same way, I feel like we've missed something along the line and this is starting to feel like an attack on me. I'm just trying to say that all the princesses can be seen as good role models whether they are perfect or not because they all work through their flaws and become better. I'm not a pessimist, I'm just saying that I find characters with flaws more believable and interesting because you see the development in them and they show us that flaws are normal but we can accept that we might not be perfect but we can always try to better ourselves. I'm sorry if you have a really bad image of me now, I'm usually considered quite nice, but I just sometimes have trouble expressing my feelings properly. You don't seem to get what I mean most of the times and that's fine, I see your very passionate and I'm very tired and I feel bad right now so I don't feel like continuing this, I think you sound like a swell person and I hope I haven't made you feel bad or wrong because, trust me, that was never my intention. We do have different opinions but I don't think they really are as different as you might think, I think we should try to get to know each other better, trust me I'm not an ogre lol. You can PM me and we can just discuss, not argue because I hate arguing, our differences and similarities.
I actually love history by the way and I think you're really going too far with this because it almost seems as if you're saying that I would condone something like rape and say it was the woman's fault, which is horrible to me, wow I'm really sorry that I gave you such a bad impression, maybe I shouldn't have shared my opinions because the last thing I want is to anger other people, especially people who really do seem nice, we missed something along the way but I'm not a bad person, I may have flaws and I've accepted that I may never be perfect but I'm still willing to work to better myself and I feel that just because someone is rebellious that doesn't make them a bad person or anything. Sorry if I seem like an immature idiot to you, never thought someone else would possible see me as such but sorry if I've offended you. I'm actually more like the classics than you might think actually, that might be why I've always liked characters that are different than me, that are more outgoing and outspoken and less shy and sensitive. I know it wasn't Cinderella's fault, wow how could a question about a fictional character, I'm just saying that people now have more options so that children should not grow up thinking that they have to take abuse forever because we don't like in Cinderella's time anymore here in the US but I do think Cinderella is a very admirable character, I like her and again, sorry, sincerely from the bottom of my heart.
We just like different things in characters I suppose.

But I understand her position.

Oh and by the way, no that is not my philosophy, I think you misunderstood me big time.

Diazdiaz95: It's not an attack on you anymore than it is an attack on me. You are telling me that you don't agree with my beliefs and I am telling you that I don't agree with yours. I don't understand how you think I am attacking you? I didn't insult you or attack you for your choice, it confuses me and I don't understand it but I haven't said anything that is attacking. If you feel otherwise then please point it out to me because I said you can believe what you want but I don't disagree and your opinion isn't changing mine. I don't see how that's an attack?

No one said that princesses have to be perfect to be good role models so that's irrelevant. We are talking here about 1 princess that I happened to call perfect and a perfect role model and now my idea of "a perfect role model" seems to be under attack more than anything else in this conversation. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I know you say you find flaws in characters as "more believable and interesting" but I dont. I know too many horribly flawed people and they don't make my life more interesting, they make it more full of drama, tension and anxiety. I'm not of the belief with many other people on this site that "flaws make you more realistic" and the attitude towards that concept seems completely harmful to me as it excuses flaws or embraces them instead of seeing them as things that need working on. Someone doesn't need to be horribly flawed for them to grow and develop and that is exactly my point! This seems so off to me that people think you have to be lesser in order to grow. That is why my whole point here is that you are always growing so it doesn't matter where you start on the scale, terribly flawed or barely flawed, because you are still going to try to improve yourself regardless! I don't believe you have to be flawed to show improvement. Top performers don't have to start off as bad performers to grow, they can start off as great performers and develop even greater. Flaws + Development do not = The same thing to me. They're two separate things.

I don't have a bad image of you and I don't think you're not nice. I just think you embrace flaws more than I do, that's it. I'm sorry if I'm just not understanding you because I thought that I did understand what you were saying. If what you are saying is very nuanced then that is not my strength so perhaps the communication error lies there. I don't think you should ever feel bad for making someone feel "wrong", especially if they are wrong. I am happy when people correct me as I would not want to go around repeating wrong information. That being said, you didn't make me feel "bad or wrong" so no apology necessary. Trust me, I don't think you're an ogre, I think you are passionate and a conversationalist like me.

If you love history then perhaps you can explain why you think at Cinderella's time in history, that she could've done more? In her time there was no welfare, no homeless housing and she didn't know anyone else she could stay with. If you love history then I would love to know what you expect her to do realistically in her situation when she has no real options? I'm not saying your condoning rape, I'm making an analogy to show you how ridiculous the claim is that "she didn't stand up against abusive family". Women in Africa don't have alternatives to save themselves from the horror they face and I am simply saying that Cinderella also did not have any alternatives to her situation so to fault her for staying there is like faulting women in Africa for staying in Africa.

I don't know why you feel like you shouldn't give opinions. I think the only problem I see from you is going off subject and not staying relevant to what we are speaking about. (i.e. You said you loved history but you never gave any example to explain why, with your understanding of history, that you believe Cinderella had the opportunity to do more against her abusive family but just chose not to.) You shouldn't be so afraid of other people getting angry over opinions or you're going to feel like you can never talk and that would be something you are hindering yourself from. I don't recommend it unless you need to for your health.

Again, the only problem I see is your irrelevancy. No one is talking about "rebellious" or saying that automatically makse them a bad person so I'm not sure why you brought that up? I already said in other comments that I don't believe "rebelliousness" itself is a big flaw since A) it's usually stemming from a deeper rooted issue & B) some things are wrong and need to be rebelled. Again though, I don't see how that's relevant to this conversation at all? If you bring up random other things into the conversation then I think it will make the conversation more tense because it's not staying on subject.

"Sorry if I seem like an immature idiot to you, never thought someone else would possible see me as such but sorry if I've offended you." No one is seeing you as such except for yourself, labeling yourself that way. I have never once accused you of being immature or an idiot so I honestly have no idea where you are getting that from. I simply thought we had difference of opinions and I thought you were confused on the historical accuracy of Cinderella's setting. The only thing I said about maturity is that as we mature, we realize that we cant change everything and not everything is fair. We wont always get what we want and that's something we hopefully all learn as children.

"I know it wasn't Cinderella's fault, wow how could a question about a fictional character, I'm just saying that people now have more options so that children should not grow up thinking that they have to take abuse forever because we don't like in Cinderella's time anymore here in the US but I do think Cinderella is a very admirable character, I like her and again, sorry, sincerely from the bottom of my heart." You have never once said this before and if you had said this from the get-go then it would've avoided much of our further conversation. The only thing I am saying to this, is that since Cinderella didn't have the option the way we do now, I could never fault her for what options she didn't have. It's like being mad that a woman didn't vote in USA in 1900, how is that her fault when she didn't have the option to vote? That's all I'm saying here. I don't think it's fair of people to rate Cinderella against today's setting when the options available today were not available to her in her time. For all we know, if Cinderella took place now instead of then, she probably would've done more about her situation since she actually could. That's why I don't think it's right that people actually fault her for not being able to do what she couldn't do anyways.

^ It just felt at times as if you're opinion had to be the only right one and sometimes you kind of twisted what I was saying and assumed I was suggesting something that I wasn't. I completely agree with you that we should try to improve ourselves but what I meant by "accepting flaws" is that we have to admit and understand that we do make mistakes and know that as humans we won't always be perfect so you shouldn't constantly beat yourself up for being flawed because your human but we have to try to overcome our flaws and mistakes to be better people, I never meant that ""I'll never be perfect so I shouldn't even aspire for it because the worst that will happen is I become a nearly-perfect person who will just be disappointed that I'm not totally perfect? Some people I've met are actually like that but I didn't mean that, we should try but we should accept that we are not perfect so we shouldn't constantly get so worked about our imperfections, we should just try one step at a time to improve ourselves. I don't know it that made sense. It's just that I felt like you were just pushing your view and trying to contradict me at every turn and make me seem less mature, or intelligent, or virtuous, it felt like my moral character and intelligence was being judged and that frustrated me, it's like you were saying that you only your point was right and I was somehow a bad person for supposedly not seeing good women as good role models, even though I never said that, I just tried to say that good women can come in many forms (some are more like Merida or Tiana and others are more like Aurora and Cinderella) and just because someone isn't exactly like the classics or has flaws doesn't mean that they are automatically a bad person or not virtuous and you made me feel like I was wrong and bad for having that opinion and I just felt like throughout you said you understood me yet when you would reiterate what I supposedly said you'd say something more extreme or something fairly different from what I said, or meant to say. I think our biggest difference when it comes to characters is that although I like perfect characters usually I also like seeing flawed characters because they seem more relatable to me and since I'm always the type of person who tries to see the good in people and tries to understand that all the people around me have flaws and I'm no better than them I tend to not mind flaws as much, even if they can be annoying sometimes, because I know that people shouldn't just be defined by their flaws and they have good traits too, sometimes you really have to look for them lol. but they are usually there. That being said someone like Hitler was very flawed but since he did so many horrible things I have trouble looking past them and seeing the good in him because he really was a horrible person so I guess it just depends on the person and flaws they might have, but I don't really mind the flaws of the princesses on the whole and I truly do see myself in all of them and some days I can be a lot like Aurora and other days I'm more like Tiana or Merida or Pocahontas it just depends, don't worry I don't have multiple personalities lol. I think it's the actor in me also since we are taught to see the good in every character in order to portray them sincerely because if you go into a role hating your character you'll never get past that and it will show in your performance, you will like you loathe yourself on stage so you have to find some good or at least ok qualities in the character and we are taught to analyze people to try to humanize them so that they can be relatable or understood. It's also the actor in me probably that finds flawed characters more interesting because although perfect characters are not that hard to play they can tend to be more boring, that's why so many actors enjoy playing villains from time to time or anti-heroes, and uncommon but the flawed characters are more of a challenge, their so much more to analyze and delve into because you have to try to understand them and getting into their head and that's usually more fun for an actor. I don't know it's sort of complicated to explain. Nothing wrong with perfect characters though but I prefer when they have more imperfections and quirks because it just seems more realistic because it's more common to meet someone with quirks and imperfections than someone who is practically an angel and completely pure and makes everyone else look bad but I can see the appeal to perfect characters, I do also wish that I had some of the traits of the classics and I do possess some of their traits.

I wasn't trying to attack your view of the "perfect role model", I just didn't like how you made it seem that since that is your perfect role model it has to be THE perfect role model period, and that everyone should agree with you, I'm saying that you directly said all that but it seemed like you were suggesting it. I don't really have a perfect role model because I just see their being so many different types of role models but in the end as long as the person is good and not some criminal then I can see them being a role model. Mulan is more of a perfect role model for me than Aurora but mainly because I'm more like Mulan so when I see her achieving success it reminds me that I can too and I can better myself but I relate less to Aurora but I think she can definitely be a good role model. Some of these differences between us also I guess come from the fact that we had very different upbringings and might not come from the exact same culture so a trait that you might value or relate to more might be different from one I value or relate to more. I grew up with the renaissance girls and the Marvel and Star Wars girls more than the classics (I actually didn't see Snow White until two years ago and I loved it but I know as a kid I would have found it boring) and most of the women that I've known are generally more outspoken so I tend to value some of those traits more or at least find them more interesting and relatable than the Classics and I think the fact that most famous women, a good deal of women in modern literature and some in the old days as well and so many women in film and tv are shown as more outspoken and take charge that I consider that more...normal? Attractive? I don't know but I'm drawn to those women more, I like ones that share their opinions more and take charge of their lives. Even in classic films I tend to prefer the Katharine Hepburns, Marlene Dietrichs, and Greta Garbos and Bette Davis to the more sweet and submissive characters but I still like those too, for example I love Audrey Hepburn, so for me it really does depend and I like all types of characters. I even have a thing for villains because I find them fascinating sometimes but of course those are horrible role models lol. Yeah, I know I get off topic a lot but I just wanted to tell you a little more about myself but I completely understand how someone with your background would appreciate the classics more and I honestly appreciate them too, they are very lovely. I apologize if I seemed like I was attacking your idea of a perfect role model but I felt that you were attacking me for thinking that they aren't THE perfect role models, I just feel like someone like Belle is more balanced because she has great traits but she also is not afraid to defend herself against Beast and Gaston, my biggest problem with Aurora is just that she cries but doesn't speak up and talk about her feelings but I know some people are like that. Again, off topic but just wanted to give an example.

Yeah, I know several very flawed people too and they do make things more dramatic but I know that those same people are good and that they just have their moments when they are really annoying but I look past that and besides if there was no drama and conflict life would be less stressful but more boring in a way, depending on the drama and conflict. I know that you had a harder childhood so I definitely get how those people with a lot of flaws did make you feel bad so I see where you're coming from, I just don't come from the same place but if I did have to deal with what you dealt with then I would think differently most likely. I think it also has to do with our personalities. I we talk about embracing flaws it just means that you admit that you have flaws and that you can already be a good person even with flaws but not that you shouldn't improve them because you should. If that made any sense. It's kind of like the beauty debate, some people say you must strive for flawless beauty and they'll do anything, even surgery, get rid of even the tiniest imperfections and make themselves "perfect" but a lot of people disagree (I'd even say most people but darn I have no statistics with me) and that that you can be beautiful even when you aren't flawless, you don't have to look like Aurora to be pretty and you should embrace your differences and imperfections instead of trying to conform to somebody's image of perfection and be like everybody else or better than everyone else. Maybe that wasn't the best analogy because physical beauty is of course very different from personality but what I mean is, it's not a big deal if you occasionally procrastinate a little but it becomes a serious flaw that really needs to be fixed if are constantly procrastinating and late for everything and not doing your best then you should definitely work to change that but we all have little flaws and quirks that make us human and not robots (even the classics have them and that doesn't make them bad, Cinderella loses her temper at Lucifer and the clock, Snow feels insecure about Grumpy and is a naive, Aurora doesn't speak up for herself and spends a lot of time daydreaming in the forest with the animals), none of those things are bad, they just set them a part and show that they are not robots that are absolutely perfect and never have any problems. We just say that those little things can be fixed but they don't make you a bad person but it's the big flaws where you really have to work on and the little ones aren't as important and of course flaws can be subjective because to some people daydreaming all the time is a flaw and to others it isn't, perfection can even be considered subjective just like so many other terms we use to describe people like strong, smart, funny, etc because not everyone will agree on the same thing. Too much of a good thing can be bad too, if you're too trusting for example you can end up getting hurt more often. Flaws aren't really good but they aren't always horrible things, it just depends. I get that someone doesn't need to be very flawed to grow I just feel that you see more of a change when the person starts out more flawed but improves than one the person is already an angel, but their is always room for improvement but I just feel that the classics don't change and develop as much by the end because they were already near-perfect. I'm not the best at explaining things so forgive me if I haven't cleared up much, it's so much easier communicating in person or on the phone than by writing.

It's interesting because I know that a lot of people ,if they were on my side of the argument, might think "OMG, she's so difficult" but I often thought "hmm, she's interesting, I'd like to know more about her so I can better understand her", like I said it's the actor in me. That being said you did frustrate me at times but you also brought up some interesting, valid points and I have been told that I'm good at seeing things from others' points of view and understanding people, it's weird because I often say I'm not a people person because I'm socially awkward (a flaw that isn't horrible but I'm working on fixing because I've always wanted to be more outgoing because I'm kind of shy like Aurora) yet it's hard for me to not get along with someone, my teacher once said I was Switzerland in human form because I never got into arguments at school and got along well with everyone (strangely though I wasn't popular). Perhaps I was being somewhat nuanced and
didn’t make my points clear enough, I’ve been told that even when I’m direct I can sometimes be a little subtle partly because I do rely a lot on nonverbal communication and changes in my tone of voice.

Would you consider writing too much to be a flaw because I once had someone tell me that I write way too much and take a long time to explain myself. If it is a flaw then we both have it but that’s ok lol. Now about Cinderella, yeah, it’s complicated. Looking at things from a purely historical view I’ve long understood that she really technically didn’t have much hope and a real-life Cinderella would have probably never had her happy ending (although there have been accounts of women in the past that were able to escape horrible/difficult lives it was a fairly rare occurrence) but whenever I analyze these princesses I look at them not just as the character on the screen but I also compare them to women today and myself and what I value in characters and what people can learn from them so whenever I see Cinderella I do understand that she did the best she could do but something inside of me still sort of wishes she had rebelled but of course it’s wishful thinking. Perhaps what bothers me is that today when their are so many stories of women who were able to escape abuse there are also so many women who just take it and don’t stand up for themselves and get away from that situation and they remind me of Cinderella, yes the situations were different but I never meant to blame Cindy but I just wish the things had been different in those times so the wishful thinker within me kind of wishes that Cinderella would rebel and that women would have been able to do that back then. That probably made no sense because I planned it out well in my head but it somehow got all messed up when I tried to explain it, suffice to say that I do understand her situation but I just wish she had been able to rebel because we should teach women that if they are being abused they should seek help and not act like Cinderella because times have changed and women have more protection now. It’s so sad to think that even 100 years ago women had so few rights and privileges compared to today which is why I like reading about the women that were about to stand out and make a difference and fight for a cause or find success and make a name for themselves despite all the obstacles, of course many of those women had to deal with what Cindy dealt with to begin with.

Yep, I do get off topic (as you can see from this essay I’ve written lol) and I’m not always relevent but I think it’s because I’m so in the moment that I don’t organize my thoughts well enough and I end up writing everything I’m thinking, I apologize it is seems a bit messy and random at times and I hope that this was able to make sense, I sincerely hope so because I’m honestly getting tired of writing these long things lol. I know, it’s just that I like giving my opinions and I don’t mind defending them but sometimes I just don’t feel like going in depth to explain myself or I feel like others are pressuring me to think the same way as them. It’s happened in classes to me before when I have an opinion and other people disagree with me and will keep pushing me to change my opinion by contradicting me and trying to make me seem less insightful or whatever, I just don’t like it when I feel like I’m being attacked or questioned too much (in a way that isn’t just plain curiosity) for having an opinion, I don’t like when I feel that I’m being judged for holding a different opinion but I wouldn’t like not giving my opinion either, I have a like/hate relationship with sharing my opinions and opinions in general but I understand that although the world would be easier if we all thought the same way it would also be kind of boring because their would be no diversity.
I just like sharing my point of view respectfully and seeing the opinions of others but when it starts to feel like an attack or argument I get annoyed and want to just withdraw but I’m stubborn so I keep defending my point but then there comes a point when I just get tired of constantly defending myself and need a break.

True, sorry about that, I don’t know where what I said about rebelliousness came into play there and I agree with your assessment of rebellion, I guess it’s because I’ve heard some people criticizing Merida, Ariel, and some of the other princesses for being rebellious even though I get why they are that way and I don’t like rebels are always bad but I’ve heard so fans of the classics say that rebels are bad and that people like the classics are the only good people and I guess that I felt that you implied it in the Aurora poll but yeah I don’t get why I brought it up because it really didn’t have anything to do with the conversation, mea culpa.

I don’t know, whenever I get the feeling that someone is questioning my intelligence (even if they may not be) I start feeling insecure and think they see me as an idiot or one of those pesky, immature trolls that just like to argue and be annoying. It’s true though that I’m labelling myself, I guess I’m just a little sensitive and can take things too personally sometimes. Oh yeah, I definitely agree that we should learn that as kids, sadly I know several people who apparently never learned that, and although I (like most people I’d imagine) wish that everything would go there way always I know it’s just wishful thinking and that isn’t going to happen, doesn’t mean that we can’t try to get things to go our way but we can’t just throw a tantrum when we don’t get our way or give up because of it, kind of like the whole flaw debate actually, we have to accept things are unfortunately not always fair and we have to live with that and accept setbacks and obstacles as a part of life but of course we must always keep trying and find a way to overcome our problems. Sorry if I sometimes sound like one of those inspirational posters lol, I agree with you on that.

Oops, I thought for sure that I had mentioned that before, maybe I thought it but it never actually made it to the comment, but yeah that probably would have cleared up a lot because that’s kind of what I was trying to say the whole time. I completely understand you, I wasn’t trying to rate Cindy compared to women, well not in the way you described, I know times were different so she couldn’t do much but I do think about how times have changed so now that sort of case shouldn’t be a common because they have options, sorry if it seemed like I was blaming Cinderella. That’s why I never understood why modern retellings (I mean set in today) of Cinderella still usually have her acting like she has no options when that’s not true. Btw, I prefer how they depicted Cinderella in the new Disney movie because although she’s still a lot like the animated one she seems more appealing to me and I like how she sang when she was trapped instead of staying quiet because they were able to hear her and find her, I know random but I just wanted to point that out.

I’ll respond to the Aurora poll and your PM some time later because I’m tired after spending almost two hours writing this one, and they say writing isn’t tiring work. Hopefully this cleared everything up :)

Sorry it's so incredibly long, this might be the longest comment in Fanpop history. Where's my prize? Lol

^ Wow, that could seriously have been an article, and a long one at that. I think I write too much, I was always the kid who'd write 8 page essays in school even though the minimum was usually 3 pages but I didn't do it to show off or to seem like a know it all or perfect student, I just couldn't stop myself from writing even when the subject wasn't all that interesting.

Diazdiaz95: "It just felt at times as if you're opinion had to be the only right one and sometimes you kind of twisted what I was saying and assumed I was suggesting something that I wasn't." I feel exactly the same that it was like your opinion had to be right so mine had to be wrong. I also felt like you were twisting what I was saying to match what you were thinking about the topic rather than what I was actually saying about it. I personally believe that online debates seem to get tense because of the fact that nuances, verbal and visual clues, are missing which leads to many misunderstands and misinterpretations. I believe the people like you and I who come online to discuss opinions tend to be the most passionate about our opinions, hence the desire to discuss them with others in the first place. The combination of passionate opinions and loss of verbal and visual nuances, in my opinion, can even make people who 100% agree with each other believe that they are actually in complete disagreement. I truly am sorry if you felt like I was attacking you as I felt I was just defending the positive reality and result of specific role models on me that I thought you were attacking as being harmful.

I agree with you that we have to admit our mistakes which is why I suppose our disagreement really comes in the usage of the word "accepting" the flaws. I think we should "acknowledge" the flaws not accept them as I believe the term "accepting" means to also embrace. I am absolutely a perfectionist and I don't see "beating myself up for not being totally perfect" as an obstacle in life, I see it as a benefit. I am always striving to do better and it helped me tremendously in the workplace. I can see where you are coming from about taking it too far but I sincerely don't see it as something that will cause much emotional turmoil. I believe the worst thing trying to attain perfection will cause is someone who is a really great person and happens to sometimes "beat themselves up for not being even better" but I think really great people won't beat themselves up in a way that is that harmful to themselves, if you understand where I am coming from?

The reason why I thought your philosophy was "I'll never be perfect so I shouldn't even aspire for it because the worst that will happen is I become a nearly-perfect person who will just be disappointed that I'm not totally perfect?" is because of your usage of the word "accepting" flaws. I think the idea of accepting people's flaws as "just a part of who they are" is very harmful because it makes them believe that they don't have to change those things or work on it because people will "accept" them regardless.

I completely agree with you that we should take one step at a time to improve ourselves as that is something I have been doing. I thought your argument was that there shouldn't be "perfect role models" because they are harmful so I was trying to contradict you in that because I knew that to personally not be true. I also thought that your argument was "to not try to attain perfection because it would only hurt us since we can't attain it." I believe that kind of philosophy is very immature and easily corrupted which is why I responded accordingly. I believe that was a miscommunication though and that you don't have that philosophy; I think your philosophy was actually just "to not try to attain perfection at the expense of self-deprecation" which I agree with. I am not sure why you were frustrated that you felt you were being "judged" but I can understand frustration towards being judged "incorrectly". If you believe that "good women should not be seen as good role models" then I would think you are somehow a bad person because it wouldn't make sense to me why a good person would not want to see other good people as role models, does that make sense?

I never said that "just because someone isn't exactly like the classics or has flaws doesn't mean that they are automatically a bad person or not virtuous". I don't mean any disrespect but I don't agree that I made you feel a specific way as you are the one in control of your own feelings and I am only in control of mine. I don't see you as a puppet or a robot, I see you as a human being in control of your own emotions. I wouldn't say you made me feel a certain way in reverse, I'd just say I felt a certain way so I respect it both ways. Just sharing my philosophy on accountability and being responsible for one's self.

It is obvious by your response that I thought I understood you but didn't since you did not agree with my estimations of what you were saying. I think I understand better now but you can correct me if I still don't.

I respectfully disagree with you about what our biggest difference is as I think it is our experiences. I have experienced some of the most awful people who get away with being awful because others "don't want to judge them" so no one is ever willing to tell them when they are wrong and they just continue doing bad things that hurt good people around them. I like perfect and flawed characters, I don't mind if characters are flawed as long as they show the realities of those flaws and the effects it has on others like with Merida. I am "the type of person who tries to see the good in people and tries to understand that all the people around me have flaws" as well but I also like to balance that with being realistic and recognize that not everyone is equal. I do not believe that people like Mother Theresa and Charles Manson are equal, therefore I am not someone who believes "everyone is equal" because that's just not true. I believe there are some people that I am far better than (i.e. Charles Manson) as well as there are some people that are better than me (i.e. Mother Theresa) and I am fine with that. I am not fine with being told that I am equal to either of those people because I think that concept is offensive, insulting and inaccurate. Do you believe that you are equal to Charles Manson and Mother Theresa and that they are equal to each other as well? I am sincerely asking your opinion here.

Although some people have good traits, some people also have far more bad flaws. The Disney Villains would be a great example. If people are confident, suave, independent, resourceful, etc. but use that to hurt other people then I cannot, in good conscience, say that those people shouldn't be defined by their bad actions simply because they have some good traits. Also some people can honestly never change no matter how much you try to emphasize their better traits. I do not think that is true of all people, but certainly a lot. I am glad that you brought up the example of Hitler so that I understand that you seem to agree with me that some people are too horrible to see past their flaws. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Thank you for letting me know about your perspective as an actor. That is unique and I am glad that you are sharing it with me since I have never done any kind of acting. I can see how that kind of thinking would be helpful towards your abilities. I am sorry to say this and I don't want this to be taken the wrong way but I feel like I should offer up a bit of insight on my perspective here as it is also unique. I have suffered abuse of different forms from various people in my childhood growing up so it is hard for me to grasp the concept that "no one should be hated" or that "people shouldn't be judged". A lot of the abuse that went on wasn't confronted because people didn't want to "judge" the flaws they saw and focused only on the "good traits". This is also why I strongly value "virtuous characters" so much as it's all I ever wanted growing up. I am still shedding off a lot of the effects of my childhood and trying to learn how to find a proper balance. The loss or devaluing of "virtues" frightens me, probably more than the average person, because I lived with out such virtues growing up and it was horrible. I can never find "perfect characters" as boring as I find them to be soothing and pleasant. In order for me to find a character "boring" they have to literally do and say nothing. In my opinion for example, Aurora is not boring to me because I see her singing, picking berries, walking through the forest, interacting with the fairies, meeting and dancing with the prince, crying, being tempted, being saved and being reunited with her family. I can see what you are saying about actors enjoying playing the characters of villains more but I have experienced too many real-life villains so the last thing I want is to go deeper "into their heads". Growing up, whenever I met seemingly "perfect" people I got very attached to them. Not only was I emphatic that good people were real and really existed but I truly saw them as "Fairy Godmothers" and such because that is the effect that they had on my life. I am happy that such characters exist to make others look bad because I don't want to live in the world where everyone is a villain and a virtuous person stands out that much. I'd rather live in a world where people are virtuous and the villainous stick out so that they cannot harm as many good people. I am glad that you did not stop responding and decided to be open with me instead. I thank you very much and respect you for making the effort to fix the miscommunication.

I think while I was thinking that you thought there "shouldn't be perfect role models" that you were thinking that I thought there "should only be perfect role models". I hope this has been cleared up on both sides now that we have both explained in further detail. I never once said "that everyone should agree with [me]" so I am not sure where you got that from?

I would like to say that I don't believe that all bad people are properly known as "criminals" and there are plenty of people who are criminals but are misjudged as good people. One famous example would be Ted Bundy.

Aurora is more of a perfect role model to me than Mulan because Aurora is more relatable than Mulan. Both are not unrealistic to me since both are examples of real women but Mulan is more uncommon than Aurora. While there have been countless numbers of women like Aurora in the past, there has only been one woman that I know of like Mulan and that is Joan of Arc. That being said, I love Mulan's character and film and even semi-recently wrote a defense article on the subject. I loved her ambition and I do consider her to be a good role model but I believe it is her character at the end that is a role model not the beginning.

I agree with you that us being brought up in different cultures and upbringings could be a big factor here in our disagreements. For me, that only makes it more imperative to gain better understanding of where both sides are coming from. I grew up with the Renaissance girls and the Classics. I am of mixed race and culture and one of those races being Asian, so I do tend towards more values of respect, duty, honor, modesty, etc. That being said, I'm also American and I do love a lot of the values of American culture.

The media is definitely biased towards the "modern outspoken" version of women so I can see why you find that to be more normal. I would just like to remind you that film and TV are for profit and ratings so they are going to care about what is most entertaining and exciting, not what is most moral or accurate.

By the way, I love that you appreciate older films as I do too! I understand having a fascination with villains, even I find watching Joan Crawford very entertaining though there is also a special relatable factor since she reminds me of women in my family. Same goes with Barbara Hershey. I don't mind you getting off topic at all, I greatly enjoyed everything you had to say! I also got to understand your perspective better so goal accomplished! I think in the age of cell phones and internet etc. we forget how much background information is important when it comes to meeting and conversing with people. Especially when we are talking about non-superficial issues. I enjoy this type of conversation very much!

It's awesome that you said "I just feel like someone like Belle is more balanced because she has great traits but she also is not afraid to defend herself against Beast and Gaston" because she is my absolute favorite princess and I feel the same! I actually think she is the most balanced of all of the princesses and she has always been my life-long favorite DP! I agree with you completely and I even wrote an article "yearbook" style with something positive about each of the princesses and I put "Most Balanced" for Belle! I don't fault Aurora for crying and not speaking up because I understand that it wasn't going to change anything since that was the law/culture and I honestly commend her for being strong emotionally and not taking out with any kind of tantrum. I am not saying speaking out is always a tantrum, I am just saying I am glad she didn't react that way which was the opposite to me of how she actually did react. I tend to think in opposites a lot, looking at the opposite side.

I think you are very lucky that the flawed people you know are also good people who just have "their moments". The flawed people that I know are the other way around, bad people who have "their moments" of decent humanity. When I say dramatic, I mean causing fights and giving people heart attacks from stress, not people who voice a disagreement every now and then, especially if it's coming from a good place. I am talking about self-centered people who just don't care what anyone else thinks but themselves and don't care about how anyone else will be affected by their actions and are too impulsive to ever think anything in terms of the long-run. I am talking about destructive, "bad" in every sense of the word people. Since I grew up in an environment that was stressful and antagonizing all the time, I fail to see how lack of that kind of drama and conflict is boring. I think lack of that kind of drama and conflict is just healthy. Healthy and positive. Constant drama and conflict really takes a toll on people's bodies and health and I have seen it get that bad. I think it's important for people who have totally different experiences to share their information because sometimes some people don't understand other sides or arguments simply because they've never seen the reality of that different experience. I hope that makes sense. That is why I try so hard to emphasize balance as I truly believe it is the key to harmony. Obviously we need to judge the bad people but we don't want to condemn good people, right? It just gets hard to find the balance when we speculate and don't weigh in all factors and look at all sides. That is something I try to do, look at all sides even if I don't agree or it seems to not make sense to me. I just am not afraid to say it makes no sense to me or I don't agree at all as I hope those phrases help the other person re-word it so I can understand etc.

I'm pretty sure that most people don't believe in resorting to surgery to be "perfect" as you would say. I think it is a balance. If it something easily changed like brushing your hair or trying a new hair style then why not do it as long as you want to? I think potentially harming oneself and going to the extreme lengths of surgery etc. just shows that one hates themselves and that mindset should be the focus to be fixed before the body is even considered to be changed. I think physical beauty is most different based on culture but I understood what you were trying to say, I think. As far as the morals go, I think some virtues are universal whereas some are cultural and it's the universal ones that aren't subjective and should be encouraged and embraced. I think some cultural virtues should be respected but if they violate universal virtues then I understand speaking against them. I think in a lot of ways, you are talking about "balance" as well. Correct me if I'm wrong.

You may or may not have read in polls that I actually don't find most traits as "flaws" as that was the majority of my arguments. I think some flaws are indicative of age and experience (i.e. naivety) and some flaws are specific to the context (i.e. stubborn or outspoken). Then there are flaws that have a distinct differentiation to me that makes them not good or neutral (i.e. impulsive=bad; improvisation=good or neutral). Lots of the options I found to not be flaws at all because the flaw was taken out of context (i.e. "doesn't stand up against abusive family" even though she really couldn't). I also completely agree with you that some flaws are subjective so I didn't consider them flaws (i.e. sarcastic) regardless of my personal feelings about them.

I completely understand where you are coming from about watching the development of a flawed person grow but I also like the concept of people who were just raised good and continue to be good, you know? I think both are valuable and I think you do too. I also think that people who seem less flawed still have their own set of issues to deal with that may not be as necessarily dramatic as issues that more flawed characters have but still there are issues for them to deal with and ways for them to grow nonetheless. I truly do believe we keep growing and maturing until we die so while it might me more challenging to come up with an exciting script for "less flawed" characters, I do still think they can be shown reaching an epiphany or other great change. I think that is kind of a story similar to Tiana, that she had far less flaws than Naveen but his flaws exposed the few flaws that she had. Although I must admit that I don't find Princess and the Frog to be one of the more exciting DP films. I also think different types of people encounter different types of problems more and the Classics focused more on the external threat of villains rather than the internal threat of flaws. Does that make sense?

I think you have explained yourself very well so far but let me know if I seem to have misunderstood you at all. I personally am not the best at communication because I grew up with nothing but negative communication in the home growing up so I am still learning how to properly communicate difference of opinions with others (although I must say I have honestly come a long way). I am sorry if I come off very defensive as it is a habit that I am trying to break. I really am more open to different opinions than my language might suggest. I am so used to antagonistic communication that it is sometimes hard for me to genuinely tell if I am being attacked or not when I feel like I am.

I also know some people, if they were on my side, who would have said "OMG, he's so emotional" but I thought "I really hope we can find some sort of understanding at some point because I feel like there's some miscommunication going on." like I said, I do strive for perfection and being a better person and I believe part of that is being able to communicate with those who have opposite opinions than you in a positive or neutral manner. Since you are making admissions, I will admit that you did frustrate me also at times though I must say I don't see how either of us bringing that up is that productive? A lot of the arguments that you were making combined with the negative perceptions about yourself "Sorry if I seem like an immature idiot to you" reminded me of the emotional tactics made by people in my family to exploit my being a good person and try to make me feel like crap so they could get their way etc. I don't think you were trying to do that but it was a little hard for me to understand exactly where you were coming from because my only experience with reactions like that were fake and passive aggressive. This is not a statement about you, it's actually more about how horrible my family was. I am not used to people getting offended at what I have to say because I usually played "peacemaker" in a lot of situations and was the person to find the "common grounds" or "compromise". Now that I am older I try to find a balance of compromising with people and situations etc. but not with positive moral values.

I might honestly be the last person on this entire site to consider "writing too much to be a flaw"! (I mean that as a positive joke.) I love writing and reading! I'm on this site to learn from other people, expand my understanding/comprehension and improve myself. Personally I believe it's better to over discuss something so nothing is lost than it is to under discuss something and have someone get the entirely wrong perception about you. I think the most intellectually curious people aren't bothered at all by lengthy responses but welcome them, at least in my experience. You will never write too much for me, I promise. (Even in Jr. High and High School my friends and I used to write notes to each other that were literally multiple pages long, often due to off-subject ranting and excessive details.)

To Cinderella: I take all Disney Princess films as time pieces so I feel like taking it out of context by comparing it to modern times is just very inaccurate. I feel like the equivalent is "Why didn't Cinderella just get the Prince's number at the ball?" rejecting the fact that phones hadn't been invented yet. I believe the story should be taken in it's time and place and that every story deserves to be taken in the context that it was meant. In film, this would be equivalent to the directors who go out of their way to make sure their "time pieces" are historically accurate. I personally don't think it's fair to rate a DP of a different time and place on one's own time and place and I try to look at it the other way of picturing myself in her time and place to see why the story went the way it did. Once the time and place is changed, I feel the story is changed because it deals with different factors. If that all makes sense? That being said, I also value the characters and try to pick out things that can be learned from every situation. Growing up in a situation so similar to Cinderella, I also think I take it a little more personal that people would fault her for something she could not control or would only make things worse. I guess it goes back to my experience of "good people" being treated badly and "bad people" getting a plethora of excuses to avoid consequence. I feel like putting fault on Cinderella for not doing more is taking the fault away from the villain, Lady Tremaine, who is the "wrong" person in the first place. Does that make sense? I suppose I personally don't like how hard people are on the DPs and soft they are on the villains since I know what it's like to grow up with villains.

I also think we have totally different perceptions on Cinderella and abuse. I consider Cinderella much like a child in that she didn't have any choice over her circumstances like an adult does (i.e. Lady Tremaine). It's also why I fault Lady Tremaine more than her two daughters. I think of "abuse" in terms of something that is forced on us and not something that we choose. I just have to make that distinction because you used the term "women" and I think women in abusive situations, if you mean romantically, are nothing like Cinderella because they chose to date that person and be with them whereas Cinderella had no choice in being under Lady Tremaine's jurisdiction and subject to her abuse. She was also a child when it started. While I agree that children who suffer abuse should seek help, I do believe they should act like Cinderella, if they were born and raised that way, as I would not want them to be corrupted and tainted by the experience. As far as women, well I think they should not choose to be with an abuser in the first place. It's not sad for me at all to think 100 years ago about women's rights and privileges because I don't think they were that "few" compared to today. Aside from voting, I don't know of any other "women's rights" that they didn't have back then. They were already able to go to college and have jobs before 100 years ago. I don't agree that many women who stood out in history dealt with similar situations to Cinderella but perhaps you can name a few examples? A lot of the women I know who stood out in history were not abused like Cinderella though they did work hard to achieve their dreams.

I think people often misinterpret others as "trying to pressure them into thinking the same way as them" when in reality they just want it to be understood where they are coming from and why. Again, I don't know why you don't like when you feel "judged for holding a different opinion" but I can understand why you would not want to be judged "incorrectly". If no one ever judged me then I would never be able to be a better person because no one would be willing to let me know when I am wrong. For reasons like that, as well as the abuse I suffered, I believe judging is very important and beneficial. Also I live in America where the judicial branch is 1 of our 3 branches of government and they take judgments very seriously and consider them deeply (or are supposed to). It's the process of judging in America that allows us to be "innocent until proven guilty" because there has to be enough proof to judge that we are guilty other they have to judge us innocent and I respect those values greatly. I agree with you that the world would be easier if we all thought the same way but I fear "close-mindedness" more than "boredom" with lack of diversity. I suppose of all the problems I have faced in life, boredom seems more like a luxury.

"I just like sharing my point of view respectfully and seeing the opinions of others but when it starts to feel like an attack or argument I get annoyed and want to just withdraw but I’m stubborn so I keep defending my point but then there comes a point when I just get tired of constantly defending myself and need a break." I think we rent the same boat. (That was an attempt at a joke! "We're in the same boat.") I completely understand where you are coming from as I feel the same.

I think when you said "I guess it’s because I’ve heard some people criticizing Merida, Ariel, and some of the other princesses for being rebellious even though I get why they are that way and I don’t like rebels are always bad but I’ve heard so fans of the classics say that rebels are bad and that people like the classics are the only good people and I guess that I felt that you implied it in" that it was representative of what you thought of where I was coming from. I am not a stereotypical "Classic fan" though I greatly admire and value the Classics. Honestly, my top 3 DPS are 1 from each group: Classics, Renaissance & Modern.

I was never questioning your intelligence, just to clarify, I was questioning your morals and preferences in regards to self-improvement and role models. I have always been mature for my age and am a bit of an "older spirit" so I warn you that I am often not up to date on modern lingo.

I agree with you about acknowledging that things won't always go our way shouldn't stop us from trying to fix the issues that we experience/witness but that we also shouldn't result to inappropriate behavior like tantrums or violence. I am still learning how to accept that some "flaws" in life are totally unfair and not completely fixable, without obsessing over them (because they bother me to my core). You don't sound an inspirational poster to me, just a decent human being with a balanced outlook.

That's interesting what you said about modern retellings of Cinderella set in today depict her as having no options, I haven't seen any modern retellings. I've only seen the animated 1950 Disney classic and the late 1990s version with Drew Barrymore. I just want to point out that Cinderella did not stay quiet in the original when she was trapped, she was quiet and kept knocking on the door calling "Please let me out." Then when she spoke to the mice, she told them to go get Bruno to scare away Lucifer who was stopping them from slipping her the key.

I think this cleared everything up and hopefully you don't mind my lengthy response. If I could give props, I would definitely give you one for your comments. Unfortunately my profile cant give props. (Or even comment on ones given to me!)

We really have a love for writing in common! I also in school used to write many more pages than my peers because I had so much more to say.

I have no idea why she never stands up for herself

Boring and I dislike the way she is animated.

^agree.